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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2) (Sign Up)

Postby RailWarrior » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:48 pm

Guess I'll start the game in a few hours.

Round 1 will probably have some extra time for people to get the memo.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby RailWarrior » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:10 am

If anyone is interested in a third game, I'm thinking of keeping it simple:

1) Everyone knows their teammates.
2) Everyone gets three lives.
3) Everyone knows all opposing team's Servant Classes, but do not know their identities.
4) Teams vote as a whole to determine who to attack for that round.
5) Abilities to be determined (possibly even come up with your own ability).
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Reverend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:16 am

oh wow how do you intend to keep the balance with #5?
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby RailWarrior » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:19 am

Obviously broken troll abilities will be rejected.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Chibasa » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:43 am

Saber - Saber might send to GM a player name associated with a team and a role.
- If both team and role guesses are correct: GM confirms it to Saber.
- If only one info is correct: GM confirms the correct info and reveal Saber identity to one random opponent.
- If none guesses are correct: GM doesn't provide any info to Saber but reveal her identity to public (no mention if Saber is assassin).

Archer - This player may cast two votes. Additionally, Archer may PM me the name of a player. The declared player has his/her vote sealed for the current round but Archer identity is revealed to him.

Berserker - Berserker can reveal both assassins (not their team neither their role, "x and y are assassins") but his identity is revealed to public in exchange. When he is killed, if he is not officially revealed yet, his team is not revealed. He can PM GM to reveal his team if he desires.

Shielder - Each round, Shielder can PM one player to GM. If that player is targeted by assassin, he'll not die. Shielder can use his ability only once on each player, including himself.

Sealer - Insert someone sealing people

That's some classes I think about for something closer to first game (without all RNG), I also have a Waifu role (best Fate class obviously) if you want more sugg
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Reverend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:49 am

RailWarrior wrote:Obviously broken troll abilities will be rejected.

I'll be playing the next game. Thinking of abilities rn.

Though I prefer we repeat either the 1st game or the 2nd game, but this time me or someone else be the judge.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby ezethan97 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:53 am

I'll play also. For Caster, maybe the same as game 2 except Caster switches roles instead of teams?
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby houreki » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:57 am

I will play the next game as well!
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Chibasa » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:13 am

Reverend wrote:
RailWarrior wrote:Obviously broken troll abilities will be rejected.

I'll be playing the next game. Thinking of abilities rn.

Though I prefer we repeat either the 1st game or the 2nd game, but this time me or someone else be the judge.
Don't you want to play, too, Rail?



I'm more attracted by 1st version > 2nd one > next one also for now.

Then re-working first version on something easier to handle for GM might be good?
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby WankoMC » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:18 am

I think I would prefer a slight rework of the first version.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby RailWarrior » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:26 am

I think the best re-working of the first version is to ban the use of PM for communication. Of course, I would have no way to enforce this.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Corni » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:57 am

I will play next game too...
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Reverend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:09 am

RailWarrior wrote:I think the best re-working of the first version is to ban the use of PM for communication. Of course, I would have no way to enforce this.

Communication and trust issues are always part of a forum (or life, if I should say,) thus I guess it is up to each player's effort and judgement regarding everything.
Banning them... feels like a futile effort.

imo, just rebalance stuff.
People generally hate the Saver of first game, so rebalance that.
Maybe Shielder also needs rebalance. Like: she can't shield the same person twice in a row.
Saber needs an upgrade, definitely, bcs Saber is supposed to be the strongest role in the universe.

Also I like the troll Caster. Serious. Very Rule Breaker. Very best girl. It's just unlucky that last game Caster got into an accident.

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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby RailWarrior » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:37 am

The fun (in my opinion) when it comes to these "hidden identity" games is the public discussions. You choose your words carefully so as not to give yourself away, while at the same time also mining others for information. Where's the excitement if you can just directly contact someone?
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Reverend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:40 am

RailWarrior wrote:The fun (in my opinion) when it comes to these "hidden identity" games is the public discussions. You choose your words carefully so as not to give yourself away, while at the same time also mining others for information. Where's the excitement if you can just directly contact someone?

I did say it's up to each person's effort and judgement.
So even in direct contact via PM etc, people should be careful and thought things out.
But my point is: Aren't communication and ability to read what people truly say the essences of a multiplayer game? Sometimes with words, other times with numbers and pictures.

But the main problem for you, should you really want to enforce this, is still how to control people to not chat with each other.
Deciding the parameter is one problem, but keeping it tight and just is the harder one to solve.
It's futile, if not potentially full of lies and deceit.

Btw, you should really play. It will help you and one other person get both sides of the picture.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Homura » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:34 am

I will play the 3rd game.

RailWarrior wrote:2) Everyone gets three lives.
At most two I'll say, otherwise the game probably will last too long.
RailWarrior wrote:3) Everyone knows all opposing team's Servant Classes, but do not know their identities.
This isn't necessary and will make the game more foreseeable and less fun.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Toady » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:05 am

I'll play anyway, but I'd prefer something more like Version 1 too.
Please, never something as random as Version 2 again. Also a game lasting more than 2 rounds could be nice :rem:

Version 3 would look more like a real Holy Grail War, so why not.
I think communication between teammates is necessary if the game lasts several day. If you want a game with public discussions only, you should host it during one hour on Discord. That could also be very fun.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby RailWarrior » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:03 am

Reverend wrote:Btw, you should really play. It will help you and one other person get both sides of the picture.
I mean, if someone wants to take over, go for it.
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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Chibasa » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:17 pm

RailWarrior wrote:
Reverend wrote:Btw, you should really play. It will help you and one other person get both sides of the picture.
I mean, if someone wants to take over, go for it.


I don't mind doing it once, but with something closer to first version.

An interesting experience would be that we all try to host game, one by one ! Of course some people may not have time to do it but that can be really fun to see every different rules people will come up with. Maybe some can go for pretty short game happening during 1h in disco like Toady said ~

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Re: Holy Grail War (Version 2)

Postby Reverend » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:42 pm

Chibasa wrote:
RailWarrior wrote:
Reverend wrote:Btw, you should really play. It will help you and one other person get both sides of the picture.
I mean, if someone wants to take over, go for it.


I don't mind doing it once, but with something closer to first version.

An interesting experience would be that we all try to host game, one by one ! Of course some people may not have time to do it but that can be really fun to see every different rules people will come up with. Maybe some can go for pretty short game happening during 1h in disco like Toady said ~

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