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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby blaZofgold » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:23 am

RailWarrior wrote:I still don't get it. Why is (was) Kanade the head of KyoAni, and why is P.A. just a vassal unit under them?

This happened in 2012 when ithekro decided to classify PA Works under KyoAni for the Space Opera. I think KyoAni had no Nova representatives that year and they needed to still be relevant.

Come 2014, I decided that it was a cool spin and went with it. You can read the entire exchange in The KyoAni Empire Status Update from last year. Basically it made for a better story.

I'm not really involved this year, so you can ask Reverend why he decided to make Kanade PM of KyoAni.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:34 am

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...A third new galactic faction can be seen/observed fighting at the distance...

...This haven of men appear to be at a civil war against each other...

...As of now, it does not appear as though any of their actions would cause harm towards the already growing Nova vs. Stella warfare...

...However, fate has been known to pull a few strings for her amusement...
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:47 am

blaZofgold wrote:
RailWarrior wrote:I still don't get it. Why is (was) Kanade the head of KyoAni, and why is P.A. just a vassal unit under them?

This happened in 2012 when ithekro decided to classify PA Works under KyoAni for the Space Opera. I think KyoAni had no Nova representatives that year and they needed to still be relevant.

Come 2014, I decided that it was a cool spin and went with it. You can read the entire exchange in The KyoAni Empire Status Update from last year. Basically it made for a better story.

I'm not really involved this year, so you can ask Reverend why he decided to make Kanade PM of KyoAni.


because it's sad that Kanade is just a Privateer while the whole KyoAni relied on her for the last 2-3 years
because it's too late to change the story and make a separate faction for PA
and because I don't think it's not plausible since all KEY works (in exception of Little Busters!) is associated with KyoAni

that is all I can say for now, won't do spoilers
so, wait for it, will you? ;)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby blaZofgold » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:11 am

Momento10 wrote:
!CAUTION! !WARNING! !DANGER!

...A third new galactic faction can be seen/observed fighting at the distance...

...This haven of men appear to be at a civil war against each other...

...As of now, it does not appear as though any of their actions would cause harm towards the already growing Nova vs. Stella warfare...

...However, fate has been known to pull a few strings for her amusement...

HOLY CRAP I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

*goes off and slams head against wall*

AFTER SOME THOUGHT: I don't think this belongs in Space Opera, the plot is already stretched thin and no more deux ex machina could make this work. Why don't we start some separate series for the boys? Like Warring Kingdoms or some Fantasy setting.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:15 pm

I was already thinking about the boys, don't worry
though it won't be for this year, thanks to lack of writer
(Why the hell would I say there's a problem with communication between Stella and the new galaxy, then? I thought you guys have understand enough)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:50 pm

Agreed, I believe males ought to be a part of the galactic warfare. They're just...you know...doing their own thing and fighting their own fight somewhere else not within firing range of Nova and Stella.

In addition, new characters w/ males means tracking down, after all the explosions and rubble of random metal pieces, which members of the galaxy remain for a full-frontal assault against each other.

As of now, new icons are needed for:

Gekkan Shōjo Nozaki-kun (Dogakobo)
No Game No Life (Madhouse)
Mahōka Kōkō no Rettōsei (Madhouse)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:46 pm

add Nisekoi to that list
I've already contacted Melange, but no replies yet
I wonder...

as for Males, main ideas are still open
that galaxy is still pretty much untouchable, I can't even find the time to establish that press office I've been talking about
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby blaZofgold » Fri May 01, 2015 12:10 am

The only reason I'm not so gungho for adding males to SO is because it gets really tiring writing that much scifi

If we switch genres it might get writers to be more interested, and allow writers to take breaks from strictly writing one style

Not to mention some kind of warring kingdoms setting is freaking cool as hell
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Sat May 02, 2015 4:23 am

New icons needed for:

Black Bullet (Kinema Citrus)
Love Live! (Sunrise)
Nisekoi (Shaft)
Gintama (Sunrise)

P.S: We ought to gather everything and zoom out later to look at everything and figure out how to properly gather everyone properly.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Sat May 16, 2015 12:39 am

Here is a full list of who and what we need and how we are going to arrange them:

Gekkan Shōjo Nozaki-kun (Dogakobo)
No Game No Life (Madhouse)
Mahōka Kōkō no Rettōsei (Madhouse)
Black Bullet (Kinema Citrus)
Love Live! (Sunrise)
Nisekoi (Shaft)
Gintama (Sunrise)
Akame ga Kill! (White Fox)
Amagi Brilliant Park (Kyoto Animation)
Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso (A-1 Pictures)
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance (TNK)
Fullmetal Alchemist (Bones)
Durarara!! (Brain's Base)
Tokyo Ghoul (Pierrot)
Death Note (Madhouse)
Shingeki no Kyojin (Production I.G.)
Hataraku Maō-sama! (White Fox)
Noragami (Bones)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Sat May 16, 2015 1:03 am

hmm I already keep track of the girls in the list
I'll put it in google drive (or any other file-saving website) later
but for the boys, it's beyond my reach

btw, forgive my tardiness in terms of story
I hit a block and have not removed it completely, that's why progress is (very) slow ._.
I'll try to get it done by tomorrow
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Tue May 19, 2015 2:21 am

Breaking everything down by company group:

Kyoto Animation:
- Chūnibyō demo Koi ga Shitai!
- Kyōkai no Kanata
- Hyōka
- K-ON!
- CLANNAD
- Amagi Brilliant Park

J.C. Staff:
- Toradora!
- Sakura-sō no Pet na Kanojo
- To Aru Majutsu no Index
- Shakugan no Shana
- Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko

A.I.C:
- Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai

Shaft:
- Monogatari Series
- Nisekoi

Studio DEEN:
- Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?

A-1 Pictures:
- Ore no Imōto
- Sword Art Online
- Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso

I.G. Port:
- To LOVE-Ru
- Haiyore! Nyaruko-san
- Guilty Crown
- Shingeki no Kyojin

Sunrise:
- Code Geass
- Accel World
- Love Live!
- Gintama

White Fox:
- Steins;Gate
- Akame ga Kill!
- Hataraku Maō-sama!

Brain's Base:
- Durarara!!
- OreGairu

Madhouse:
- No Game No Life
- Mahōka Kōkō no Rettōsei
- Death Note

Bones:
- Fullmetal Alchemist
- Noragami

Silver Link:
- Strike the Blood

Diomedea:
- Mondaiji

Satelight:
- Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu

ufotable:
- Fate Series

P.A Works:
- Angel Beats!

Production IMS:
- Date A Live

8-Bit:
- IS <Infinite Stratos>

Imagin:
- Spice and Wolf

Lerche:
- Machine-Doll wa Kizutsukanai

Dogakobo:
- Gekkan Shōjo Nozaki-kun

Kinema Citrus:
- Black Bullet

TNK:
- Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance

Pierrot:
- Tokyo Ghoul

Based on the above information, the following should follow:

Groups to be promoted as their own station (We're going to need names for these groups):
- Sunrise
- White Fox
- Madhouse
- Bones
- Brain's Base

Groups to be demoted to the Corporate Sector:
- Studio DEEN
- Silver Link
- Diomedea
- ufotable
- P.A. Works
- AIC

*We're going to need a discussion on whether or not we should consider Fate/series as part of Studio DEEN or ufotable and if we are going to take P.A. Works out of Kyoto Animation
Edit: AIC = Auto Corporate Sector. Rearranged Haruhi, Date A Live, and Ore no Imouto. Added Oregiru. Combined Production I.G. and Xebec into I.G. Port.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby LOveLive! » Tue May 19, 2015 3:19 am

1. Where is OreGairu?
2. AIC went bankrupt, so I think it's better if Oreimo is classed as A-1 Pictures.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Tue May 19, 2015 3:31 am

(shit, and my debts keep piling up ._.)
okay, since I'm hitting my limit with the plot, time to open up:
let's mention one at a post, while everything is still can be changed:

in the matters of KyoAni and PA:
I do think it's necessary to separate them, but demoting PA to corporate sectors would be depressing (after all it's PA we're talking, as far as the future I can see, every animated KEY works will most likely be done by them, which means Rewrite)
we have the reason: Haruhi is changing studio to Satelight (and my guess: it would stay that way, KyoAni is just too expensive right now)
according to the original story, Kanade had been the prominent figure of KyoAni and the lost of her would have meant total chaos in KyoAni's political system

the main idea is to break KyoAni Empire and let Rikka rule (after all she's not the type of girl who would settle being second all the time)
one big problem is: scheduling did not support that, actually prelim has been a war between JC and KyoAni + PA and JC won (and I don't want to start the war now, I think the start of RS would be appropriate)

we have one supporting result: Round 3 Day 2 Stella 3, where Yurippe stole KyoAni's RS spot
means we can use that to separate PA from KyoAni, but after that it stuck
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Tue May 19, 2015 3:37 am

in the matter of DEEN:
actually I am thinking of dissolving DEEN Directorate, I see their lineup of anime for this year and realized that most likely they won't have a Nova unless Log Horizon suddenly turns to be a huge hit
Type-Moon is in love with ufotable, and I think Fate series should go there

one good thing for that is: Eucliwood Hellscythe, the last of the order's trinity, is there
we could just turn him into a Yoda-like figure with Kosaki playing Luke
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Tue May 19, 2015 3:46 am

in the matter of AIC: oh shit where should we put DAL now? DAL is still under AIC
Oreimo only has Ayase and Kirino, which result is unpredictable now
but DAL... ._.

not to mention, there will be need for a story for that

okay that's all for now, there's still a lot of things, though
oh yes, I am thinking of joining IG and Xebec into IG Port, any opinion?
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby RailWarrior » Tue May 19, 2015 5:01 am

Reverend wrote:oh shit where should we put DAL now? DAL is still under AIC
Production IMS. I mean, if Haruhi is moving to Satelight and Fate to ufotable, it only makes sense DAL also moves according to studio change. AIC was barely even a part of DAL II; they only did some in-between work iirc.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Momento10 » Tue May 19, 2015 5:36 am

Added OreGairu in.

Even if we bring Ore no Imouto to A-1 Pictures and bring Date A Live to Production IMS and drop it to the Corporate Sector, there's still the question of where to put Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai, which, as far as I can tell, only has AIC as the main production company. I don't want to drop them to the Corporate Sector as their are technically affiliated with something, and there are enough shows to consider it a sizable domain; they just so happened to be bankrupt. I would preferably want AIC there up until Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai disappears, and then rearrange everyone accordingly. If someone can tell me of another company that is affiliated with it, shout it out; then, we can figure something out.

P.A. Works only had one representative during its five years here, and as much as I feel the same way, I believe it is wrong to consider them a part of Kyoto Animation, of which I believe they had no part in the creation of that one series. Unless there is another series representing it, I think it is appropriate if it were dropped to the Corporate Sector.

Production I.G. and Xebec merged into I.G. Port? Since when, and details?
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Tue May 19, 2015 6:19 am

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Reverend wrote:oh shit where should we put DAL now? DAL is still under AIC
Production IMS. I mean, if Haruhi is moving to Satelight and Fate to ufotable, it only makes sense DAL also moves according to studio change. AIC was barely even a part of DAL II; they only did some in-between work iirc.

I was talking about the copyright of DAL, it is still under the main holding company of AIC, isn't it?

Momento10 wrote:Even if we bring Ore no Imouto to A-1 Pictures and bring Date A Live to Production IMS and drop it to the Corporate Sector, there's still the question of where to put Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai, which, as far as I can tell, only has AIC as the main production company. I don't want to drop them to the Corporate Sector as their are technically affiliated with something, and there are enough shows to consider it a sizable domain; they just so happened to be bankrupt. I would preferably want AIC there up until Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai disappears, and then rearrange everyone accordingly. If someone can tell me of another company that is affiliated with it, shout it out; then, we can figure something out.

hmm, I think Space Opera has ever made one faction just consist of one series (the days when Kingdom of Night were separated)
we can do the same to DAL and Boku wa Tomodachi
but, like what I said, more job ^^;

oreimo licensing is with Aniplex, if I was not mistaken, so putting them into A-1 picture is logical
but then we need to create a stronger base for First Aegis, since it would mean they have 3 characters in nova and 3 in stella
(btw, First Aegis, what exactly are they? space trading company? don't really understand about the concept)

Momento10 wrote:P.A. Works only had one representative during its five years here, and as much as I feel the same way, I believe it is wrong to consider them a part of Kyoto Animation, of which I believe they had no part in the creation of that one series. Unless there is another series representing it, I think it is appropriate if it were dropped to the Corporate Sector.

as long as the KyoAni problem is solved, separating PA Works will not be hard, since the results are there
corporate sectors, solo faction, heroes or traitors, everybody can voice what they think once KyoAni and the Haruhi studio change problems are solved

Momento10 wrote:Production I.G. and Xebec merged into I.G. Port? Since when, and details?

wait, isn't Xebec the subsidiary of Production IG for years? ._.
when IG joined with Mag into IG Port Holding Company in 2007, Xebec was also included (its name is listed)

well, we could have just continue putting Inori in the corporate sectors again, but I don't know about the future - Shingeki no Kyojin is not popular here because it's not meant for moe, but the technology used in making that is the newest stuff
it will only take time before Production IG creates another masterpiece, this time the one that can fight in a Saimoe tournament
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Space Opera Talk

Postby Reverend » Tue May 19, 2015 6:25 am

btw, open submission for the name of Sunrise studio

the name that I can think of: Solar Ascendant or Star Ascendant (prefer star, actually)
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