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Soliciting ideas for 2018? January Massive way

Postby maglor » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:15 pm

We are planning something similar yet different for 2016 January and it will somewhat resemble the 72way match of 2013 December. Please post your ideas and suggestions, as well as what limitations it needs to have. While I have my own ideas, I would really like to see some new ideas that can be used in future so do some research and be creative.

Good reference to study

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulative_voting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

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The match planning is on hold due to many reasons. We will revisit all the ideas here as soon as we can.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby avery-kun » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:05 am

o.O ISML experimenting with alternative voting systems?!

This is a sign. THE END TIMES ARE NEAR! PRAY TO CRISU THAT YOUR LIFE WILL BE SPARED!

I've always leaned in favor for ranked voting in order to increase the ability to find the Condorcet winner and allow people to vote without worry about being a spoiler. Ranked pairs I believe is a good system, but Instant Runoff, in my experience, is sufficient in most cases.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Reverend » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:17 am

hmm gomen, I don't get this thread: are you looking for new voting system? or new tournament type?
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Chocola » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:45 am

We're not asking to replace regular season or anything. Remember that match where we put everyone at the end of the year in? We're planning to do something similar.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Reverend » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:20 am

hmm

would be great if we could have series vs series 5v5 match (well, it does not have to be 5)
tournament type: knock-out with 16 competitors (or if you have the time we could just turned it into a 8-group round robin then knockout phases just like current World Cup :P)

Rule is simple:
1. Each series are represented by 5 (or whatever number) characters
2. Each series elected a captain
3. A captain will always face another captain, meanwhile all the other members opponent are randomed seeded.
4. Best out of 5 (or whatever number,) winner advances/win the tournament

things to be discussed:
1. What series? how many? how should it be chosen?
2. How should we choose representatives? how much representatives? how should we choose captains?
(although for captain, it should not be too difficult: just go with the character that has best tier)
3. Should males be included?
4. If males are included, should we let male vs female match-case happen or should we restrict it to male vs male and female vs female?

ps.: in case I need to explain: it's not the usual group type 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 in which there's only one arena for all. it's 1 vs 1 that happened <insert any number> times on <insert any number> different arena.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby maglor » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:36 am

Reverend wrote:hmm

would be great if we could have series vs series 5v5 match (well, it does not have to be 5)
tournament type: knock-out with 16 competitors (or if you have the time we could just turned it into a 8-group round robin then knockout phases just like current World Cup :P)

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2. Each series elected a captain
3. A captain will always face another captain, meanwhile all the other members opponent are randomed seeded.
4. Best out of 5 (or whatever number,) winner advances/win the tournament

things to be discussed:
1. What series? how many? how should it be chosen?
2. How should we choose representatives? how much representatives? how should we choose captains?
(although for captain, it should not be too difficult: just go with the character that has best tier)
3. Should males be included?
4. If males are included, should we let male vs female match-case happen or should we restrict it to male vs male and female vs female?

ps.: in case I need to explain: it's not the usual group type 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 3 in which there's only one arena for all. it's 1 vs 1 that happened <insert any number> times on <insert any number> different arena.


Misaka wants to remind everyone that this event has to end within a single voting period, likely of 24 hours or 48 hours in length. This makes it not possible to have best of X type of event.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Reverend » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:38 am

okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby avery-kun » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:44 am

Reverend wrote:okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics

I will pay money for this.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby maglor » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:49 am

avery-kun wrote:
Reverend wrote:okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics

I will pay money for this.


Question is how to bring this about in a way that seem fair.

by the way,

Misaka 10032 > Kanade> Misaka Mikoto>everyone else.

Bring on Misaka Worst X Misaka 10032 Yuri doujin.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby avery-kun » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:03 am

Misaka Worst wrote:
avery-kun wrote:
Reverend wrote:okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics

I will pay money for this.


Question is how to bring this about in a way that seem fair.

by the way,

Misaka 10032 > Kanade> Misaka Mikoto>everyone else.

Bring on Misaka Worst X Misaka 10032 Yuri doujin.

Suddenly I have an completely rational rage when I read the word "Worst" or see the letters "glor"... weird.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby maglor » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:23 am

avery-kun wrote:
Misaka Worst wrote:
avery-kun wrote:
Reverend wrote:okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics

I will pay money for this.


Question is how to bring this about in a way that seem fair.

by the way,

Misaka 10032 > Kanade> Misaka Mikoto>everyone else.

Bring on Misaka Worst X Misaka 10032 Yuri doujin.

Suddenly I have an completely rational rage when I read the word "Worst" or see the letters "glor"... weird.


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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby BugH » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:32 am

avery-kun wrote:
Reverend wrote:okay then

Misaka Army vs Kanade & her Harmonics

I will pay money for this.

Make it happen !
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Bastion » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:27 pm

How about, instead of girls, anime represented in the last year's tournament facing each other. Randome character to identify the series as well.
See which series is most 'moe' as opposed to which girl/guy.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Shmion84 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:12 pm

Range Voting violates the Later-no-harm criterion (see en.wikipedia)
For example a Misaka Mikoto-fan who didn't award Tachibana Kanade the minimum of points could endanger the chance of his favorite.

Since all voting systems got their problems, we might need to think about which conditions have to be fullfilled and then pick the matching voting system.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby 10ZHAbin » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:58 pm

118way, including the guys and former champions.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Homura » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:12 pm

That's a good simple idea.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Chocola » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:15 pm

Homura wrote:That's a good simple idea.

That's what I suggested until maglor Misaka Worst wanted something more grandiose and complex.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby avery-kun » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:33 pm

Well, if we only care about who the winner is. Then I'm in favor of a simple massive arena with ranked voting scored using an instant run-off system. If we care about, say, the top 4 winners, then ranked voting with Ranked pairs scoring is probably better. Maybe.

Or, even just allow for multiple (say 5-10) votes to be made per voter, and pick the character with the most votes. Its not necessarily the Condorcet winner, but it'd be closer than limiting it to only one vote per person.
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby Momento10 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:17 am

Rather than a 108 way, how about pairing everyone in groups of 3 (as in, each group having 1 Nova, 1 Stella, & 1 male), and make them fight in a tag team battle royal? If it is possible to group them all such that everyone is roughly equal in terms of seeding, we can see/guess whether one core fanbase with two roughly minor fanbases or three mid-sized fanbases would come out victorious, provided that all three characters are from a different series (if this is not possible, we can ignore it).
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Re: Soliciting ideas for 2016 January Massive way

Postby 10ZHAbin » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:24 am

4 x 32way for seasonal. This is nothing fascinating or big, I simply wanted people to be reminded of the characters from much earlier season. A weak season might be the main cause but I am rather disturbed by the fact that in this year's preliminary there is only 1 brand new anime from 2014 winter and that's through auto-nomination.
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