ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by tehyc » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:21 am

I think I know the reason why this match being that 'weird'.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by JLoable91 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:25 am

tehyc wrote:I think I know the reason why this match being that 'weird'.
Pm me pls.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by JLoable91 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:50 am

So the problem is different from what I thought. It's something I never thought would happen.
This is the ISML FORUM tournament. If you want to participate or vote in the tourney you have to be an active forum member.
So asking for others to vote for someone is ok, as long as those members are also active on this forum.
Sometimes you see people doing this on chatzy/irc or just on the forum. But if you start asking for votes on other forums I have to intervene.
All votes made by these 'new' people will be invalid and won't count. The one responsible for all this will also receive a 2-match ban.

Thank you all for your consideration.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by JLoable91 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:55 pm

So in the end we have this many votes...
From Just's votes, 6 are invalid and 2 are borderline cases. But I'm going to look at it again.
I'm going to decide what to do with this match soon (I hope): a redo later this week or just subtracting the invalid votes.

The next round of 16 match will be up later today.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by CureRainbow » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:37 pm

Geez, who was so desperate to get voters for only this match by promoting it in other forums? It's just Forumoe and for fun, let's keep it within this forum only?

Also Jerro, do you mind telling me who started this? Obviously it'd be best to send through PM, but I'm just curious and all. If that's too personal, then it's okay if you don't tell me.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Just » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:50 pm

Ara... I'm just back home (didn't even know I'm competing today) and then this... I'm not aware of what actually happened yet, but I have a guess in my mind 0 0

I'm sorry this is happening and causing trouble, especially to Jerro and Kuro. I've always worried about things on the ISML Forum being disrupted and stirred up by a certain expanding influence here...

I thank those supporters who aren't aware of the voting rules and came here for me, and apologize to Jerro and Kuro for the inconvenience caused. I believe Jerro would be able to handle this properly and pick out the invalid votes, and give us a fair result. I'm really sorry that I'm the reason for trouble occurring in a happy event here in the community... I'm really sorry QAQ
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by avery-kun » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:02 pm

Just vs Kuro... the Mikoto vs Kanade of the ISML Forum world?
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by tehyc » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:19 pm

CureRainbow wrote:Also Jerro, do you mind telling me who started this? Obviously it'd be best to send through PM, but I'm just curious and all. If that's too personal, then it's okay if you don't tell me.
I prefer to keep it low, but it's all up to Jerro to decide to tell or not.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Eibbor82 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:35 pm

Hmm, quite the unjust event we have here.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by JLoable91 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:56 pm

So I'm going to end the confusion once and for all.
Just got 6 invalid votes and 2 votes from members who are borderline cases.
Normally without those invalid votes there would be a draw and a rematch.
But I choose not to do this. After discussing/thinking a rematch would not change much. The votes are already split and one of Just's voters also got a ban.
DarknessHid would automatically win. So there won't be a rematch as DarknessHid will proceed to the quarterfinals.
Just will receive an honorable mention in the form of a poster. :3
DarknessHid will also get her battleposter soon. (~tomorrow)

The next round of 16 will be up tomorrow so we can recover from this strange match (I'm so tired >_<).
The last round of 16 match will take place on Friday. These changes won't affect the quarterfinal-schedule.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Grish » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:01 pm

What constitutes a borderline case, out of curiosity?
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by JLoable91 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:06 pm

Grish wrote:What constitutes a borderline case, out of curiosity?
A member who voted once before (group stages) and/but rarely posts on the forum.
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Magnux7 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 pm

Lol? Not even a rematch? I think this is quite unfair against Just...
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Fuijiwara » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:20 pm

Poor Justie though, at least she gets a poster
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by smartboyhw » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:09 am

All hope rests on you to save the day, Fuiji...
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Desufire » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:27 am

Magnux7 wrote:Lol? Not even a rematch? I think this is quite unfair against Just...
Next time the Just voters shouldnt cheat then >.>
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Just » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:06 am

Wow so I get an honourable mention, that's good enough for me :) Congrats Kuro for advancing, and also thank you Jerro so much for taking care of the trouble ><


Fuijiwara wrote:Poor Justie though, at least she gets a poster
Believe it or not, but I'm a 'he'! >_<
Magnux7 wrote:Lol? Not even a rematch? I think this is quite unfair against Just...
Thanks for your kind consideration ;) I've already gone far beyond my own expectations, and while I have quite a few friends who've been really supportive to me, I'm still quite new here and got a lot more people that I should know more in the ISML Community :) I believe this is a just result, and I'll be back next year to challenge the powerhouses again ><
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by Lian » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:31 am

JLoable91 wrote:Attention!

Ok this is the weirdest match we had so far.
I don't know who did this, but we suddenly got 5-6 more voters. 2 of those are just not able to vote at all, and I think 3 others are members voting for the first time.
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To be able to vote, you have to be a member registered before September 1st 2014 and be considered as an active member with more than 50 official posts (except if you're a contestant).
One vote per forum member in the group stage. One vote per forum member per round in the elimination stage
Forum members found creating multiple accounts for the purpose of voting will have all their votes invalidated
If you haven't vote at least once in the group stage/play-offs, you can't just start voting in the knock-out phase. So if your first+second tournament votes are in the knock-out phase, those won't count.
Voters may request to change their vote via PM to JLoable91 (if cast by error) although this request might not always be granted
These rules are mainly there to keep a consistent voting group throughout the tournament and counteract double accounts.
The result of this match will probably be a mess, but we'll see.
So it remains 50 posts required? Didnt vote yesterday

._. sorry didnt see the spoiler
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by BugH » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:38 am

well.....
i expected Just to win
but nvm...
nice fight and that's good for Just to get a poster

let's see how about Fuiji's match...
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congratz Kuro...
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Re: ISML 2014: Forum Edition - Round of 16 (Kuro vs. Just)

Post by mazza411 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:14 am

I know that this is JLoable's tournament so he can make the rules that he likes, but "If you haven't vote at least once in the group stage/play-offs, you can't just start voting in the knock-out phase. So if your first+second tournament votes are in the knock-out phase, those won't count" doesn't really seem to be fair.
1. It forces registration to vote in the tournament
2. It limits the eligible voters to an even smaller group of the people active during the 2-3 weeks that stage lasted AND visits the Fun and Games forums AND comes at the right time to see the threads posted up to vote.
It's not a forum tournament if it doesn't let everyone in the forum vote. (is this rule new? I don't remember it from when I read that post at the start). Prevent multivoting is good, but it's just a circlejerk if you take it too far and ban votes from 95% of the people on the forum just so the same few people can play mean girls (like KBM). It's like starting a "ISML Forum Favorite" tournament in a Kanade subforum and not letting anyone who didn't post in the first few days vote, even though mostly only Kanade supporters will see the start of it.

It's also strange to make website's founder vote invalid when it's held on the website he founded.

The executive decision to not have a rematch and award the win to DarknessHid is also biased if you consider that the person making the decision also voted for DarknessHid (when I voted, the results were visible, I think this is fixed now).
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Magnux7 wrote:Lol? Not even a rematch? I think this is quite unfair against Just...
Next time the Just voters shouldnt cheat then >.>
"Cheat" is harsh. It's not in the rules that you can't campaign in other places, and if the people who hear your campaign also come on this forum, then I don't see anything wrong with it as long as they aren't new and only signing up to vote. "Active" is also an arbitrary term, people will be more active at certain times and not others (for example, right now there isn't any ISML voting so people might be less active, I know I'm not very active when there isn't something interesting happening)
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