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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by HasbeenaHibiki » Sun May 05, 2013 6:55 pm

I think Tenshi steamrolling is less annoying than people going *insert character here* sucks/*insert character here anti-campaign* every time they vote.
maglor wrote:3-b : 2009 Mid-to late regular season Rozen Maiden faction : The best, most organized, the most strategically brilliant faction of them all, in my opinion. They studied the SDO system in the early regular season and then set out to concentrate their votes in a way to make sure that all 3 Rozen maidens win, AND that they pumped up SDO in the right way so each Rozen Maiden will win the necklace that suits their color. Their only regret may be that they failed to organize properly for Ruby 6th round vote, which made Shinku miss out on the Ruby. They studied the schedule carefully to make sure that right characters win and loss. After they failed to make 16th seed Horo pull off an upset over #1 seed Shana, coupled with Suiseiseki and Shinku losing to KyoAni Empire representatives, they disappeared. It is possible that this faction morphed into another faction, but that is hard to confirm.
For the Rozen Maiden faction maybe we can confirm their whereabouts in ISML 2014. Since if Suigintou/Suiseiseki/Shinku have a decently high SDO in Stella or Kirakishou or any doll whose eligible for Nova ends having a really high SDO during ISML 2014 then that means the Rozen Maiden faction might be dormant until new Rozen Maiden material comes out.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Zefyris » Sun May 05, 2013 7:37 pm

Wow... I thought that Ayase's poster on the main page was already quite nice, but this one... Awesome.
For the Rozen Maiden faction maybe we can confirm their whereabouts in ISML 2014. Since if Suigintou/Suiseiseki/Shinku have a decently high SDO in Stella or Kirakishou or any doll whose eligible for Nova ends having a really high SDO during ISML 2014 then that means the Rozen Maiden faction might be dormant until new Rozen Maiden material comes out.
Since there's between 2 and 3 times more voters now than in 2009 and really strong factions like hanakana's which are already doing things in the background, this may be a little more difficult than in 2009 to find enough Rozen Maiden fans to manipulate SDO properly in 2014 though ;x.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Jiharo » Sun May 05, 2013 8:21 pm

Zefyris wrote:
"be cool in winning and be cool in losing", which (aside from being opposite of what you're doing)
I understand that after writing so much in my post with all those quote it becomes difficult to read, so maybe you missed that. Please point out where I'm whining about losing here. I even said that the characters I support were winning far more than what what was necessary for me to be satisfied earlier. So I don't feel like a loser a all in this competition.
Also, talking about being robbed from a tiara and trying to pass as a victim to justify trampling over everyone else, going as far as talking about "justice" in a popularity tournament... was cool, I didn't know that. :lol:
And how is this supposed to be a bad thing? In a competition, everyone gives their all to win, and if someone is stronger at the time then it's natural they win all the time.
Because in my opinion a popularity tournament cannot work properly on the long run if one faction is completely controlling the top for too long.
And if someone else doesn't want that to happen, they work harder so they can win instead.
besides the fact that I don't know a way to make 2000 fans of another character rally ISML (Here you can blame me for not having a single clue about how social networks like facebook works, I suppose ^^"), even if I knew a way to do it I would never ever ask people to vote against their own preference just for strategy; as this is against what I believe to be right. When I rally for a character in popularity tournament of smaller scales, I always makes sure to not ask to vote for said character but simply try to see who could vote that way and inform only those people about the match. I never try to form a faction. I don't even like that faction thing to begin with.


Or voters only vote in matches where they are fully acquainted with both girls. Making the contest less about supporting your favourite girls but ranking girls you know to see who eventually comes out on top, based on personal judgments rather than tactical or factional voting. Obviously practically impossible and throws up a ton of issues but I think it's nice to think about. Also it might render one girl unstoppable because only die-hard fans have ever seen her show. (Which on the flipside means that everyone who watched that show found that girl unbelievably moe, but that might just be because the show was terrible and only they were able to drag themselves through it.) It would be unbelievably irritating and force people to try out different shows if they wanted to be more involved and support their favourites. Tee hee.
This, really. Even if it will never happen, that would be nice.
The one of them would be me sadly :/
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You're treading on a fine line here. You're assuming that Kanade fans will continuously pump her SDO up with the others doing nothing. That is a very dangerous assumption you have there.
Sorry, maybe you quoted the wrong part of my post with that answer? Because I don't understand that part at all. What is dangerous here and for what, and what does it have to do with the fact that the most interesting place to speculate upon who will get it is the first place? @_@
Well I think I might have quoted the wrong section of it, seeing how lengthy your posts are @[email protected]
Anyway I was referring to the part after you said the most interesting place to speculate who will get first. You mentioned that there is no fun in the competition anymore because there is no need to speculate who is going to get first as everyone knows the results already. Something along that line. I'm a bit too lazy to find the exact post but if you need me to, I'll do it tomorrow since at my area it's like 3+am in the morning. Brain is not working at the moment.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by pkchan1013 » Sun May 05, 2013 8:36 pm

Just wrote:
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Zefyris wrote:So don't put me in the same boat as people who actually come to ISML not for the competition, but to win. And actually believe that it's natural to win all the time to boot, and that everyone should understand their selfish wish to always want more and more for their beloved character, even if this means ruining the competition around them and trampling over other people's enjoyment.
And how is this supposed to be a bad thing? In a competition, everyone gives their all to win, and if someone is stronger at the time then it's natural they win all the time. And if someone else doesn't want that to happen, they work harder so they can win instead. Sportsmanship is "be cool in winning and be cool in losing", which (aside from being opposite of what you're doing) has nothing do with having the winner stop trying to win.
It's not wrong to support your favourite character, and it's not wrong to try winning a competition. Nor do I think it's wrong to come to a moe competition not simply for supporting your favourite character, but to learn more about other moe characters and enjoy them with others.

Factions try to win, so they treat other factions as enemies and set up strategic voting or whatsoever so the character they support get to win. This is not wrong, and this mentality also contributes to the competitiveness and make things enjoyable.

But to those who prioritize enjoying the competition over having their favourite character win, when a certain faction gets too strong and destroys everything in their way without giving the slightest chance to others, and have no tendency to stop, they start to lose interest and faith because it is not competitive any more. Look at AST, where the peak number of voters reached 3000-4000 in the early years. Last year's Finals, the total number of voters was just about 500. That is probably not healthy for a competition.
For AST on or before 2010, not only Japanese, people from all over the world can vote for it. (Although with a little bit difficulty for obtaining codes when you are not in Japan) Unfortunately AST is not willing to allow foreigners to be involved.

Since 2011, they applied vote restriction such that no foreigner can participate the match. Eventually the number of voters drastically drop because foreign voters have no way to bypass the restriction added by AST. The scale of AST returned to the initial state, that is, can be easily controlled. AST itself restricted the number of participants.

On the other hand, at least up to now, there is no limit on the number of voters in ISML.

Therefore, AST and ISML can't be compared.

The low number of voters in AST is simply caused by the tournament holder's policy. Dominance of Madoka in 2011 and Saki in 2012 are just the results caused by the limitation policy. Don't make mistakes on the cause and result.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Progeusz » Sun May 05, 2013 9:05 pm

I'll answer other stuff later because I don't have much time right now, I just have to say something about:
Just wrote:But to those who prioritize enjoying the competition over having their favourite character win, when a certain faction gets too strong and destroys everything in their way without giving the slightest chance to others, and have no tendency to stop, they start to lose interest and faith because it is not competitive any more. Look at AST, where the peak number of voters reached 3000-4000 in the early years. Last year's Finals, the total number of voters was just about 500. That is probably not healthy for a competition.
No. Decline in number of votes in AST has nothing to do with factions doing faction things. There are much less votes because Japan got mad at West when characters liked in West were winning vs characters liked in Japan. So they banned foreign IPs. Next year they banned even more IPs. There were also many instances of multivoting so also those IPs were banned. Voting process got more complicated as well, right now it's a real pain even for Japanese. Those are much more likely causes of decline in votes. If you look at history of AST, only last two years have really dominant factions and that is a result of decline in votes, not the cause. Only dedicated people who really are into saimoe remained. If there are more people voting, it's much harder to organize them so factions lose meaning.
Also, no, in early years AST had even less votes than now, it got really popular only in 2005 an reached the peak in 2006 when West got more interested. Final of 2002 was probably multivoted to hell.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by RegalStar » Sun May 05, 2013 9:39 pm

Zefyris wrote:
"be cool in winning and be cool in losing", which (aside from being opposite of what you're doing)
I understand that after writing so much in my post with all those quote it becomes difficult to read, so maybe you missed that. Please point out where I'm whining about losing here. I even said that the characters I support were winning far more than what what was necessary for me to be satisfied earlier. So I don't feel like a loser a all in this competition.
Whining about someone winning is the equivalent of whining about whoever was up against that character losing.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Zefyris » Sun May 05, 2013 10:22 pm

I don't really remember whining anywhere and don' t really get the logic of your sentence but I'm sure that it was quite deep philosophically speaking, so you're probably right.
No kidding. When that stuff about whining over whiners starts it always come to what seems like weird conclusions to me. Philosophy aside, I am not complaining about X character losing to Y from start to finish. BTW, it got nothing to do with the rest of the conversation but every time I see your avatar I remember how much I was looking forward to be able to vote for Miniwa this year. And here I was thinking that nekomimi were popular around here, damn.
Anyway I was referring to the part after you said the most interesting place to speculate who will get first. You mentioned that there is no fun in the competition anymore because there is no need to speculate who is going to get first as everyone knows the results already. Something along that line. I'm a bit too lazy to find the exact post but if you need me to, I'll do it tomorrow since at my area it's like 3+am in the morning. Brain is not working at the moment.
I think I got it somehow, thanks for the explanation xD. But if I'm mistaken about Kanade being the obvious winner of all her matches in the RS, this isn't a "dangerous assumption" if I were to be wrong about it; as I would actually be quite pleased to be wrong here.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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Zefyris wrote:Wow... I thought that Ayase's poster on the main page was already quite nice, but this one... Awesome.
For the Rozen Maiden faction maybe we can confirm their whereabouts in ISML 2014. Since if Suigintou/Suiseiseki/Shinku have a decently high SDO in Stella or Kirakishou or any doll whose eligible for Nova ends having a really high SDO during ISML 2014 then that means the Rozen Maiden faction might be dormant until new Rozen Maiden material comes out.
Since there's between 2 and 3 times more voters now than in 2009 and really strong factions like hanakana's which are already doing things in the background, this may be a little more difficult than in 2009 to find enough Rozen Maiden fans to manipulate SDO properly in 2014 though ;x.
Oh yea, hopefully they manage to get that through despite HanaKana faction making it more harder on them. It probably would of been easier if Kirakishou ended up a HanaKana instead.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by maglor » Mon May 06, 2013 2:11 am

HasbeenaHibiki wrote:
Oh yea, hopefully they manage to get that through despite HanaKana faction making it more harder on them. It probably would of been easier if Kirakishou ended up a HanaKana instead.
Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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maglor wrote:
HasbeenaHibiki wrote:
Oh yea, hopefully they manage to get that through despite HanaKana faction making it more harder on them. It probably would of been easier if Kirakishou ended up a HanaKana instead.
Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
This will be a hard alliance to stop. Better think about that. It's already hard to take down one of them, how much if it's more of them.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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maglor wrote:
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YOU SHOULD! I hope she wins :D
maglor wrote:
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Oh yea, hopefully they manage to get that through despite HanaKana faction making it more harder on them. It probably would of been easier if Kirakishou ended up a HanaKana instead.
Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
We don't :D One does not simply stop the unstoppable.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

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pkchan1013 wrote: For AST on or before 2010, not only Japanese, people from all over the world can vote for it. (Although with a little bit difficulty for obtaining codes when you are not in Japan) Unfortunately AST is not willing to allow foreigners to be involved.

Since 2011, they applied vote restriction such that no foreigner can participate the match. Eventually the number of voters drastically drop because foreign voters have no way to bypass the restriction added by AST. The scale of AST returned to the initial state, that is, can be easily controlled. AST itself restricted the number of participants.

On the other hand, at least up to now, there is no limit on the number of voters in ISML.

Therefore, AST and ISML can't be compared.

The low number of voters in AST is simply caused by the tournament holder's policy. Dominance of Madoka in 2011 and Saki in 2012 are just the results caused by the limitation policy. Don't make mistakes on the cause and result.
Progeusz wrote: No. Decline in number of votes in AST has nothing to do with factions doing faction things. There are much less votes because Japan got mad at West when characters liked in West were winning vs characters liked in Japan. So they banned foreign IPs. Next year they banned even more IPs. There were also many instances of multivoting so also those IPs were banned. Voting process got more complicated as well, right now it's a real pain even for Japanese. Those are much more likely causes of decline in votes. If you look at history of AST, only last two years have really dominant factions and that is a result of decline in votes, not the cause. Only dedicated people who really are into saimoe remained. If there are more people voting, it's much harder to organize them so factions lose meaning.
Also, no, in early years AST had even less votes than now, it got really popular only in 2005 an reached the peak in 2006 when West got more interested. Final of 2002 was probably multivoted to hell.
WTF I completely forgot about that piece of history when I was typing. Thanks for the reminder.

Yet, I do think AST is so much more boring than ISML, both because of restrictions and that it is controlled by a small group of people. I don't see a point of being interested in a competition where the results are created. I'm just hoping ISML will remain interesting.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Teaspoon » Mon May 06, 2013 6:40 am

Zefyris wrote:(I) don't really get the logic of your sentence but I'm sure that it was quite deep philosophically speaking, so you're probably right.
:lol: Funniest thing I've read all day. Oh, excluding the Aku no Hana script.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Momo » Mon May 06, 2013 9:48 am

Thank you maglor~~♥♥
Progeusz wrote:
Momokutenshi wrote:i) If characters and/or show not moe, representatives fail. eg. Infinite Stratos of 2011: Only Charlotte Dunois is left (arguably because of Hanazawan factor; show sucked)
Nah, she's just the only really good character in IS, others are walking archetypes.
>good >IS. Same sentence. what.
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LOveLive! wrote:Do you think Kanade could show that insane strength if she was not voiced by HanaKana? I don't think so because she appeared later than Nagato Yuki, who has a similar archetype. Kanade would probably be a bit inferior to Yuki in 2011.
Kanade>>>>>cockroaches>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yuki. Also Kanade was not inferior to Yuki in 2011, Yuki was stronger 2 years ago than she is now, but Kanade was still überdominant. And it's more than other HanaKana girls get boosted than Kanade directly benefiting from the seiyuu. See maglor's blurb point 3c and 3d~
Just wrote:Finally, we've come back to the point that popularity does not equal moe, and being the main heroine does not guarantee you're more moe/popular than a character with significantly less screen time.... As for Asuna and Kobato, I definitely agree Asuna is more popular and well-known, and I do think she's the better character, but purely in terms of moe I think Kobato is more moe. If strictly talking about my perception towards moe, Ayano Keiko is more moe than Asuna to me.
Question was i)"Without HanaKana, would Kobato have won?" not ii)"Is Kobato more moe?" Answer to i) is no because this is ISML and voters suck. Answer to ii) is subjective and irrelevant.
Zefyris wrote:All in all, that's quite an impressive result. I mean, some people around here probably have their favorite who didn't even show up in the nomination list.
I take that and raise you--I have favorites who don't even make it into the anime adaption of their mangas :tearsad: Stupid adaptions. They suck.
Zefyris wrote:In those circumstances, I like the underdog who gave it all yet still lost better than the one who won ImO.
That's Numph! Go Numph! Numph for Tiara~~~
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Zefyris wrote:What I said was that they were brought in the RS not because "they were moe" or not. Being moe did have really little impact on this matter. They were brought in because they were from a really really popular show and that's all. There's obviously people around who genuinely like them. But that's not what made them achieve qualification. And that's why, they were voted for even if they were not moe.
They weren't voted much once RS started. Iwasawa and Shiina still floated at the bottom of the standings, only barely above the IS girls who were equally nominated in and made it past Prelims due to hype and whatnot~
Zephyris wrote:Answered above. I never claimed that X character weren't moe. Like you said, "Moe is subjective". and that's basically what I'm saying. While some users think that said other AB characters is moe, the reason behind most votes for them wasn't that. If it was, they would not become so ridiculously weak as soon as kanade is participating in the same match.
Sorry for the misunderstanding~~ Though that last bit is irrelevant because one character almost always does a lot better than another in an intra-series match (except Clannad, Clannad's a weird one...). This point is more valid and applicable to seiyuu-factions~
Zephyris wrote:BTW Nagato is by far the best character of the haruhi series Imo... But in the Light Novel. Considering that LN has little to no influence over ISML, I always wonder as well why she's hat strong with just the anime that reduced so much Nagato's value (and the fact that it didn't adapt past the 18th of december, which is where nagato become really interesting as a character ImO)... Well, I can't say I'm unhappy to see her win although I'm not sure why other are voting for her xD.
I never read the LN and I don't really have any intention of doing so. I just hate her from the anime. And she's not moe. Even if I didn't hate her she's still not moe. She's so powerful because voters have terrible taste and suck~ I blame Russia. /probablythewrongcountrytoblame
Jiharo wrote:Not that I cannot take jokes but I don't see the atmosphere here light enough for that and hence didn't even see it as a joke. This whole discussion seems like a war zone so yea...
Warzone? What warzone? I'm having fun~ :bigsmile: /gets smacked by Kholdy-sama for fueling the fire
Jiharo wrote:Lastly, Haganai is overrated? If that were the case you won't see S2 cos if it was overrated, the sales of DVD/BD would have been bad. There is some reason why is Haganai popular, you can't just deny facts outright. I do agree however that influence from fractions might have caused such high SDO for Kobato. Any other thing I would have think it's otherwise
I'm going to take a complete stab in the dark since I follow sales even less than I follow anime, but I posit that AB! also sold well. Doesn't mean it's not overrated. The reason why they're popular is because people have bad taste and I'm not otaku enough to spend money on animu >:D
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Momokutenshi wrote: C) Success of moe-based tournament irrespective of popularity of a show is impossible unless every single voter has watched every single show in its entirety.
Or voters only vote in matches where they are fully acquainted with both girls. Making the contest less about supporting your favourite girls but ranking girls you know to see who eventually comes out on top, based on personal judgments rather than tactical or factional voting. Obviously practically impossible and throws up a ton of issues but I think it's nice to think about. Also it might render one girl unstoppable because only die-hard fans have ever seen her show. (Which on the flipside means that everyone who watched that show found that girl unbelievably moe, but that might just be because the show was terrible and only they were able to drag themselves through it.) It would be unbelievably irritating and force people to try out different shows if they wanted to be more involved and support their favourites. Tee hee.
Technically, that would still entail some influence of the popularity of a show since the girls that get voted would still be proportionate to the popularity of their shows, but true~ *enters worldline with M♥J where this happens* *watches Attractor Field converge on the death of ISML*
Midnight-Jasper wrote:Now the real question with KanaHana is why nobody votes for Mayushii, where (I thought) she gave a moe and unique performance which added a lot to the character :(
Because KanaHanabots has stupid taste in Hanazawan characters and Steins;Gate is too smart for them. Also includes lack of dominance of Karuta and Mato. Mayushii~~♥♥ :tearsad:
HasbeenaHibiki wrote:I think Tenshi steamrolling is less annoying than people going *insert character here* sucks/*insert character here anti-campaign* every time they vote.
"Nagato Yuck sucks" "Moar anti-campa--" wait, I barely ever vote.
maglor wrote:Nice posters. Maybe we should hold another poster contest. No?
No. Not until you can help me convince Kholdy-sama to go judge and close the last one :< So go vote in it~ And stuff.
maglor wrote:Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
BAN CHINA. Or SEA. Or wherever the people with terrible taste are coming from.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Jiharo » Mon May 06, 2013 11:07 am

Momokutenshi wrote:Thank you maglor~~♥♥
Progeusz wrote:
Momokutenshi wrote:i) If characters and/or show not moe, representatives fail. eg. Infinite Stratos of 2011: Only Charlotte Dunois is left (arguably because of Hanazawan factor; show sucked)
Nah, she's just the only really good character in IS, others are walking archetypes.
>good >IS. Same sentence. what.
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LOveLive! wrote:Do you think Kanade could show that insane strength if she was not voiced by HanaKana? I don't think so because she appeared later than Nagato Yuki, who has a similar archetype. Kanade would probably be a bit inferior to Yuki in 2011.
Kanade>>>>>cockroaches>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yuki. Also Kanade was not inferior to Yuki in 2011, Yuki was stronger 2 years ago than she is now, but Kanade was still überdominant. And it's more than other HanaKana girls get boosted than Kanade directly benefiting from the seiyuu. See maglor's blurb point 3c and 3d~
Just wrote:Finally, we've come back to the point that popularity does not equal moe, and being the main heroine does not guarantee you're more moe/popular than a character with significantly less screen time.... As for Asuna and Kobato, I definitely agree Asuna is more popular and well-known, and I do think she's the better character, but purely in terms of moe I think Kobato is more moe. If strictly talking about my perception towards moe, Ayano Keiko is more moe than Asuna to me.
Question was i)"Without HanaKana, would Kobato have won?" not ii)"Is Kobato more moe?" Answer to i) is no because this is ISML and voters suck. Answer to ii) is subjective and irrelevant.
Zefyris wrote:All in all, that's quite an impressive result. I mean, some people around here probably have their favorite who didn't even show up in the nomination list.
I take that and raise you--I have favorites who don't even make it into the anime adaption of their mangas :tearsad: Stupid adaptions. They suck.
Zefyris wrote:In those circumstances, I like the underdog who gave it all yet still lost better than the one who won ImO.
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Zefyris wrote:What I said was that they were brought in the RS not because "they were moe" or not. Being moe did have really little impact on this matter. They were brought in because they were from a really really popular show and that's all. There's obviously people around who genuinely like them. But that's not what made them achieve qualification. And that's why, they were voted for even if they were not moe.
They weren't voted much once RS started. Iwasawa and Shiina still floated at the bottom of the standings, only barely above the IS girls who were equally nominated in and made it past Prelims due to hype and whatnot~
Zephyris wrote:Answered above. I never claimed that X character weren't moe. Like you said, "Moe is subjective". and that's basically what I'm saying. While some users think that said other AB characters is moe, the reason behind most votes for them wasn't that. If it was, they would not become so ridiculously weak as soon as kanade is participating in the same match.
Sorry for the misunderstanding~~ Though that last bit is irrelevant because one character almost always does a lot better than another in an intra-series match (except Clannad, Clannad's a weird one...). This point is more valid and applicable to seiyuu-factions~
Zephyris wrote:BTW Nagato is by far the best character of the haruhi series Imo... But in the Light Novel. Considering that LN has little to no influence over ISML, I always wonder as well why she's hat strong with just the anime that reduced so much Nagato's value (and the fact that it didn't adapt past the 18th of december, which is where nagato become really interesting as a character ImO)... Well, I can't say I'm unhappy to see her win although I'm not sure why other are voting for her xD.
I never read the LN and I don't really have any intention of doing so. I just hate her from the anime. And she's not moe. Even if I didn't hate her she's still not moe. She's so powerful because voters have terrible taste and suck~ I blame Russia. /probablythewrongcountrytoblame
Jiharo wrote:Not that I cannot take jokes but I don't see the atmosphere here light enough for that and hence didn't even see it as a joke. This whole discussion seems like a war zone so yea...
Warzone? What warzone? I'm having fun~ :bigsmile: /gets smacked by Kholdy-sama for fueling the fire
Jiharo wrote:Lastly, Haganai is overrated? If that were the case you won't see S2 cos if it was overrated, the sales of DVD/BD would have been bad. There is some reason why is Haganai popular, you can't just deny facts outright. I do agree however that influence from fractions might have caused such high SDO for Kobato. Any other thing I would have think it's otherwise
I'm going to take a complete stab in the dark since I follow sales even less than I follow anime, but I posit that AB! also sold well. Doesn't mean it's not overrated. The reason why they're popular is because people have bad taste and I'm not otaku enough to spend money on animu >:D
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Momokutenshi wrote: C) Success of moe-based tournament irrespective of popularity of a show is impossible unless every single voter has watched every single show in its entirety.
Or voters only vote in matches where they are fully acquainted with both girls. Making the contest less about supporting your favourite girls but ranking girls you know to see who eventually comes out on top, based on personal judgments rather than tactical or factional voting. Obviously practically impossible and throws up a ton of issues but I think it's nice to think about. Also it might render one girl unstoppable because only die-hard fans have ever seen her show. (Which on the flipside means that everyone who watched that show found that girl unbelievably moe, but that might just be because the show was terrible and only they were able to drag themselves through it.) It would be unbelievably irritating and force people to try out different shows if they wanted to be more involved and support their favourites. Tee hee.
Technically, that would still entail some influence of the popularity of a show since the girls that get voted would still be proportionate to the popularity of their shows, but true~ *enters worldline with M♥J where this happens* *watches Attractor Field converge on the death of ISML*
Midnight-Jasper wrote:Now the real question with KanaHana is why nobody votes for Mayushii, where (I thought) she gave a moe and unique performance which added a lot to the character :(
Because KanaHanabots has stupid taste in Hanazawan characters and Steins;Gate is too smart for them. Also includes lack of dominance of Karuta and Mato. Mayushii~~♥♥ :tearsad:
HasbeenaHibiki wrote:I think Tenshi steamrolling is less annoying than people going *insert character here* sucks/*insert character here anti-campaign* every time they vote.
"Nagato Yuck sucks" "Moar anti-campa--" wait, I barely ever vote.
maglor wrote:Nice posters. Maybe we should hold another poster contest. No?
No. Not until you can help me convince Kholdy-sama to go judge and close the last one :< So go vote in it~ And stuff.
maglor wrote:Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
BAN CHINA. Or SEA. Or wherever the people with terrible taste are coming from.
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No you can't do that! You can't ban the whole of SEA D: China maybe but not SEA please :D

Well.....the only thing I have to say here is most of the time in order to see which anime is popular you got to take a look at the sales figures. Let me give you one very HUGE example which I posted in the IRC and you didn't see it.

Last week or rather 2 weeks ago, can't remember the exact time period, Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo sold more than 310k copies of it's BD in just one week whereas the second top selling BD is Girls und Panzer vol.4 standing about 28k copies sold. As you can see, Girls und Panzer is popular in Japan and it can be attributed to the sales figure but if you take a look at Evangelion 3.33 BD sales, it's popularity overwhelms the popular Girls und Panzer and since most companies only continue with S2, S3 etc if the sales are good(if they have continuation), we can almost tell which anime is popular by relating it to the manga/LN/VN they are adapted from and look at whether the anime covers the full story or not.
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Teaspoon » Mon May 06, 2013 11:24 am

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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by tachimegun » Mon May 06, 2013 1:49 pm

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maglor wrote:Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
BAN CHINA. Or SEA. Or wherever the people with terrible taste are coming from.
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I am from SEA and a big fan of HanaKana *guilty* though I don't vote for Kanade that much, who is the character you are all talking about here. So I'm not included among those stupid Hanazawan right?
I agree though about the lack of Mayushii, and why we have meh character like Charlotte instead :(
Anyway, I don't really mind the ban, bring it on if it is to make the tournament better ;)
Jiharo wrote:Well.....the only thing I have to say here is most of the time in order to see which anime is popular you got to take a look at the sales figures. Let me give you one very HUGE example which I posted in the IRC and you didn't see it.

Last week or rather 2 weeks ago, can't remember the exact time period, Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo sold more than 310k copies of it's BD in just one week whereas the second top selling BD is Girls und Panzer vol.4 standing about 28k copies sold. As you can see, Girls und Panzer is popular in Japan and it can be attributed to the sales figure but if you take a look at Evangelion 3.33 BD sales, it's popularity overwhelms the popular Girls und Panzer and since most companies only continue with S2, S3 etc if the sales are good(if they have continuation), we can almost tell which anime is popular by relating it to the manga/LN/VN they are adapted from and look at whether the anime covers the full story or not.
Sales indicates that a show is popular in Japan. ISML is international thing. Almost none of non-Japan anime watchers buy BDs. Sales have very little correlation to any character popularity and success on ISML.
Also, saying what was Momo saying again, good sales doesn't mean it is not overrated.
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Comparing Eva and GuP is mean, Eva is like the best selling anime franchise ever and it is their 3rd movie. Their sales might skew everything else on sight. GuP is just a new series which is doing much better than expected. GuP still need more love internationally though, watch it please 8-)
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Re: RESULTS: 2013 Aquamarine 8

Post by Jiharo » Mon May 06, 2013 3:21 pm

tachimegun wrote:
Momokutenshi wrote:
maglor wrote:Rozen Maiden * Hanakana alliance??!!! How the heck can we stop that?!
BAN CHINA. Or SEA. Or wherever the people with terrible taste are coming from.
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I am from SEA and a big fan of HanaKana *guilty* though I don't vote for Kanade that much, who is the character you are all talking about here. So I'm not included among those stupid Hanazawan right?
I agree though about the lack of Mayushii, and why we have meh character like Charlotte instead :(
Anyway, I don't really mind the ban, bring it on if it is to make the tournament better ;)
Jiharo wrote:Well.....the only thing I have to say here is most of the time in order to see which anime is popular you got to take a look at the sales figures. Let me give you one very HUGE example which I posted in the IRC and you didn't see it.

Last week or rather 2 weeks ago, can't remember the exact time period, Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo sold more than 310k copies of it's BD in just one week whereas the second top selling BD is Girls und Panzer vol.4 standing about 28k copies sold. As you can see, Girls und Panzer is popular in Japan and it can be attributed to the sales figure but if you take a look at Evangelion 3.33 BD sales, it's popularity overwhelms the popular Girls und Panzer and since most companies only continue with S2, S3 etc if the sales are good(if they have continuation), we can almost tell which anime is popular by relating it to the manga/LN/VN they are adapted from and look at whether the anime covers the full story or not.
Sales indicates that a show is popular in Japan. ISML is international thing. Almost none of non-Japan anime watchers buy BDs. Sales have very little correlation to any character popularity and success on ISML.
Also, saying what was Momo saying again, good sales doesn't mean it is not overrated.
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Comparing Eva and GuP is mean, Eva is like the best selling anime franchise ever and it is their 3rd movie. Their sales might skew everything else on sight. GuP is just a new series which is doing much better than expected. GuP still need more love internationally though, watch it please 8-)
Good sales doesn't ALSO mean the show is overrated.

Well....I'm not particularly fond with GuP's synopsis so I'll give it a miss. But the international community here NEEDS to learn how to appreciate more anime then the usual few genres. D:

Ask them watch something else. Don't tell me cos I watch whatever anime synopsis that entertains me which means I watch BOTH mainstream and non-mainstream anime. All the anime got to do is to attract me with the story and I'll watch it :D
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