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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Chocola » Thu May 19, 2011 6:56 am

imbehindyou wrote:# of correct predictions for me should be 25! But my score seems correct!
Thanks for telling me. All of the scores are correct, but there was a mistake in calculating the number correct out of 26.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Toady » Thu May 19, 2011 8:23 am

One day, I'll master this abstain thing. But now, I did a very average score... Oh and I got 24 and not 25 as it's written :)
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Momo » Thu May 19, 2011 8:27 am

What's the abstain thing?

(And how do points work?)

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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Miku » Thu May 19, 2011 8:46 am

Though I did not do very well, the result itself is cheering. I think my biggest mistake is betting on the incorrect side of the exhibition match. ;_;
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Yakuman » Thu May 19, 2011 12:45 pm

Darn, missed exhibition :mad: And here I thought it was easy since Eva got more nominations in the prelims than Chii ._.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Au-psyche » Thu May 19, 2011 12:47 pm

34... That's number of lamdadelta...0w0
Anyway not a bad start, I think.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by hinakatbklyn » Thu May 19, 2011 1:44 pm

Momokutenshi wrote:What's the abstain thing?
(And how do points work?)
Abstaining: (voting) Not voting for either character
(Fantasy prediction) Same scenario except that one abstain is to predict which match is the closest match (lowest vote difference) out of all the matches (not including exhibition).

Points in Fantasy: (quick summary) More predict the same character in the match and is correct = less points. Less predictions for winning character = more points.

Rough estimate:
49/50 correct = less than 0.1 points
1/50 correct = almost 2 points
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Momo » Thu May 19, 2011 1:54 pm

hinakatbklyn wrote: Points in Fantasy: (quick summary) More predict the same character in the match and is correct = less points. Less predictions for winning character = more points.

Rough estimate:
49/50 correct = less than 0.1 points
1/50 correct = almost 2 points
So each round (within a period) is worth a different number of points? (eg. Topaz 1 is worth 6 points, but Topaz 2 worth 9 because fewer people got it right) Or is it based on a percentage of? (Like, more weighting in arena 1, for example, as opposed to arena 2)

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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Miku » Thu May 19, 2011 2:24 pm

Yes, it depends. The accurate score point will not be able to calculated until the result being released.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by ilkaid » Thu May 19, 2011 5:54 pm

Well I failed big time, at least I dont have to aim high to improve.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Momo » Thu May 19, 2011 5:56 pm

Miku wrote:Yes, it depends. The accurate score point will not be able to calculated until the result being released.
I see.. how come some people have higher than the maximum points (from the list below the table)?

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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Alexander » Thu May 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Cause the correct abstain (which is gay btw) gives a constant 2 points. while those who only predicted the winner in that match got less than 2 points, and max score is aparently calculated without taking abstain into consideration.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Toady » Thu May 19, 2011 7:29 pm

If you want the math :
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Based on a bookie format, the formula for each arena if you got it right is:

t = total # of participants
v = how many voted the same as you (including you)

2 * (t - v + 1) / t

Of course, if you get it wrong, then you get 0 points. For example, if there were 30 fantasy participants and you were the only one to predict Ayanami Rei to win and she does, then you get:

2 * (30 - 1 + 1) / 30 = 2 points

while everyone gets 0. If instead Alice Caroll won, then everyone would get:

2 * (30 - 29 + 1) / 30 = 0.13 points

while you get 0.

If you abstain and get it right, then you get the max score for that arena, which is 2 points. When you abstain an arena, it counts as not predicting the winner, so the formula for everyone else's score changes. For example, if there were 30 fantasy participants again, 20 voted for Alice, 10 voted for Rei including you, and Rei wins:

2 * (30 - 10 + 1) / 30 = 1.4 points

Now let's say you abstained and Alice vs. Rei is indeed the closest match, so you get 2 points. But everyone else who voted for Rei will get:

2 * (30 - 9 + 1) / 30 = 1.47 points

So as you can see, regardless of whether or not your abstain was correct, everyone else who voted for Rei increases their score.
As you can see, abstain can be very interesting. You can abstain two matches (but not more !) if you want, but of course one of them will be wrong and it'll cost you points. But as a correct abstain is two full points it may be an option.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Alexander » Thu May 19, 2011 10:31 pm

I'm sorry but abstain is broken as hell.
It should be a mechanic to save you from getting no points in a match that is close, not a way to get more points than those who predict the winner.
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It would be better if it worked like this.
Correct abstain only gets you the least amount of points that the match could have given
Example:
If those who predicted the winner gets 1.5 out of the correct abstain match, then those who abstained it should only get 0.5
If those who predicted the winner gets 0.25 out of the correct abstain match, then those who abstained it should also get 0.25
Makes much more sense this way
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Chocola » Fri May 20, 2011 12:13 am

Lol, I can't believe how misinformed Alexander is about what abstain is. It is definitely not supposed to be an "easy way out" for close matches, not something where someone says, "Oh, this match is too hard, too lazy to guess, let's just abstain and see." It has always been viewed as something very rewarding if you have good skills or are willing to take a risk. The Seitokai will make more changes to abstains in the future, all of which increases the "potency" of abstaining.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Eater-of-All » Fri May 20, 2011 12:48 am

Eater-of-All wrote:Decided not to abstain Mato vs Konata. inb4 1 vote difference.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Team Rocket Elite » Fri May 20, 2011 2:15 am

KholdStare88 wrote:"Oh, this match is too hard, too lazy to guess, let's just abstain and see."
Wait, I'm NOT supposed to do that? >_>
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Alexander » Fri May 20, 2011 3:37 am

Team Rocket Elite wrote:
KholdStare88 wrote:"Oh, this match is too hard, too lazy to guess, let's just abstain and see."
Wait, I'm NOT supposed to do that? >_>
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Chocola » Fri May 20, 2011 3:45 am

Uh, the answer is still you're not. That's how it was in the past, and it was never intended to be that way, hence why the abstain rule got changed.
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Re: FANTASY: 2011 Topaz 1

Post by Alexander » Fri May 20, 2011 3:50 am

KholdStare88 wrote:Uh, the answer is still you're not. That's how it was in the past, and it was never intended to be that way, hence why the abstain rule got changed.
It is when there is a match that is expected to go into a difference that is way too close. It may not be like it when all matches are pretty one sided though.
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