FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

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FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Team Rocket Elite » Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:05 am

No limits on each bet type for this last round. You can bet 5 on all matches if you want to. Also, as always, we are looking for feedback on Fantasy for this period. Did you like having to think about where you place your bets or was putting down 5 everywhere like in Aquamarine preferred? Was Fantasy too long, complicated, difficult, easy? Any other comments?

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  • You have until the end of the regular voting period to submit your bets.
  • I will be able to see your password (it is NOT encrypted), so do not use the same password that you use for this forum, your e-mail, bank account, etc..
  • You will predict if each indicated character's percentage of total votes will be over or under a corresponding percentage.
  • Everyone starts with 0 points. You can not have fewer than 0 points.
  • Along with each prediction, you wager 1 to 5 points.
  • A correct prediction will earn you points equal to your wager. A incorrect prediction will result in losing points equal to your wager.
  • Abstain has no effect on your points. You will neither gain nor lose points.
  • If a character finishes within 0.05 percentage points of the Over/Under percentage it is consider a tie and no points are awarded or taken.
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  • If you submit under two different usernames from the same IP, then they will not count.
  • Your username must be alphanumeric only AND cannot be gibberish, or I will not accept it.
  • If you have submitted a Fantasy for this round prior to this thread, you will have to resubmit~
http://www.internationalsaimoe.com/voting/?fantasy

Here are the Over/Under percentages that will be used for Amethyst 8:
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Arena 1: Aisaka Taiga vs Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko) vs Saber vs Yui vs Shana vs Eucliwood Hellscythe vs Nagato Yuki
Aisaka Taiga: 14.0%
Nagato Yuki: 17.0%

Arena 2: Tōsaka Rin vs Victorique de Blois vs Shiina Minatsu vs Hisui vs Ichinose Kotomi vs Tsugumi vs Kōsaka Kirino
Ichinose Kotomi: 15.0%
Kōsaka Kirino: 20.0%

Arena 3: Akiyama Mio vs Tsukamoto Yakumo vs Flower vs Matō Sakura vs Hanabishi Miki vs Saten Ruiko vs Suzumiya Haruhi
Akiyama Mio: 26.0%
Suzumiya Haruhi: 28.0%

Arena 4: Kohaku vs Teletha Testarossa vs Takahara Ayumi vs Tainaka Ritsu vs Tsukamoto Tenma vs Karakuri Chachamaru vs Uiharu Kazari
Takahara Ayumi: 17.0%
Tsukamoto Tenma: 11.0%

Arena 5: Shimada Minami vs Shiomiya Shiori vs Fear Kubrick vs Suzutsuki Kanade vs Sanzen'in Nagi vs Holo vs Ikaros
Fear Kubrick: 13.0%
Holo: 14.0%

Arena 6: Dalian vs Yin
Dalian: 53.0%

Arena 7: Morishima Haruka vs Hanato Kobato
Morishima Haruka: 52.0%

Arena 8: Hakamada Hinata vs Tsukimiya Ayu
Tsukimiya Ayu: 50.0%

Arena 9: Ariel/Chris vs Chitanda Eru/Ibara Mayaka
Chitanda Eru/Ibara Mayaka: 66.0%
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by HasbeenaHibiki » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:30 am

Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 1
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 4
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 3
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : OVER - 3
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : OVER - 4
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : OVER - 4
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : UNDER - 2
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : UNDER - 3
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 5
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 4
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 3
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : OVER - 2
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : OVER - 5
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 3

I felt like this fantasy takes a long time since the percentages are difficult to predict.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by loudmouth » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:35 am

While I do think this fantasy is slightly more interesting to the people who do it, it takes much longer and since I don't have much free time I can't participate.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Jeffrey-sama » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:28 am

Submitted (forgot to copy wagers).

About fantasy: I personally like this format more, but it gets uninteresting after a while when you see the same names atop the leaderboard (though I realize that I can't criticize them for doing well if they spent their own time to create statistical models). Maybe add an element of luck?
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Chikara Icy » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:12 am

Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : UNDER - 2
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 3
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : OVER - 2
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : UNDER - 3
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : UNDER - 4
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : UNDER - 2
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : UNDER - 3
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : UNDER - 3
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : OVER - 3
Holo: : 14.0% : UNDER - 3
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 4
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : OVER - 2
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : UNDER - 2
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 3
Wager Count (1,2,3,4,5):(0,5,7,2,0)
Total Wager Value:39
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by kukimunstir » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:40 am

Fantasy wagers for kukimunstir have been recorded. Thank you.
Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 4
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 5
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : UNDER - 2
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : UNDER - 2
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : UNDER - 1
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : OVER - 2
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : UNDER - 4
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 2
Holo: : 14.0% : UNDER - 3
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 3
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : OVER - 5
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : OVER - 1
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 5

Actually I like it more when I can place 5 in every arena.It took me less time. Yeah and it was kinda long.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by RegalStar » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:07 am

Jeffrey-sama wrote:Submitted (forgot to copy wagers).

About fantasy: I personally like this format more, but it gets uninteresting after a while when you see the same names atop the leaderboard (though I realize that I can't criticize them for doing well if they spent their own time to create statistical models). Maybe add an element of luck?
I don't think it's completely possible to drive the same people out of the leaderboard no matter what you do.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Roo-loves-Elsie » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:42 am

i am dissapointed >_>Show
Fantasy wagers for rooloveselsie have been recorded. Thank you.
Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 4
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 4
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 4
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : UNDER - 2
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : OVER - 4
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : OVER - 1
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : OVER - 2
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : OVER - 2
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 3
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 3
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 2
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : OVER - 4
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : OVER - 4
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : OVER - 4
Wager Count (1,2,3,4,5):(1,4,2,7,0)
Total Wager Value:43
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Chocola » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:43 pm

We should never implement a system that has a sole purpose of punishing people who do well. Think about it, the only way to beat models is to make things more random, and if fantasy is 100% luck, then that's just flipping a coin.

However, I'll say that we're currently discussing a way to reduce the tediousness of doing fantasy. You might be surprised at what happens.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Momento10 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:03 am

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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Mr. Large » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:56 am

I like the current way fantasy has been this past Amestyth. If it's all about luck then what is the fun?? This should be about how well we know the strength of our contestants. That makes it a lot more like investing where real skill is involved.

That being said, i probably won't be doing too well this voting round since the necklace matches are much less straightforward to predict.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Jeffrey-sama » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:20 am

KholdStare88 wrote:We should never implement a system that has a sole purpose of punishing people who do well. Think about it, the only way to beat models is to make things more random, and if fantasy is 100% luck, then that's just flipping a coin.
But how about a system where it's, let's say, 50% luck?
I thought the addition of the limits later in this period added more of a luck element into the game, but mostly for those at the top of the leaderboard who were battling for top spot.
With that being said, I don't have any concrete ideas/suggestions on how to "improve" the current fantasy. All I'm doing is just voicing my thoughts.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by xcrossfacekillahx » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:58 am

There are just people who know how to play the game very well, even if rules were bent.

I stopped playing because the game was tedious so if there's a way to fix that then I'll see if I'll be interested again.
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Chocola » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:02 am

Update: We've come to an agreement on a simpler version of fantasy. For those who have quit, please check out Ruby Fantasy to see if it's better. :)
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Cross » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:02 pm

Done. Don't want to put here. :p
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Shmion84 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:39 pm

Fantasy wagers for Shmion84 have been recorded. Thank you.Show
Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 4
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : UNDER - 2
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : OVER - 1
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : OVER - 5
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : UNDER - 1
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : OVER - 1
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : OVER - 2
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : UNDER - 1
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 3
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 1
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : UNDER - 1
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : UNDER - 1
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 1
Wager Count (1,2,3,4,5):(8,2,1,1,2)
Total Wager Value:29
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by bluemage » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:47 pm

My BetsShow
Aisaka Taiga: 14.0%: OVER - 5
Nagato Yuki: 17.0%: OVER - 5
Ichinose Kotomi: 15.0%: UNDER - 5
Kōsaka Kirino: 20.0%: OVER - 5
Akiyama Mio: 26.0%: OVER - 5
Suzumiya Haruhi: 28.0%: OVER - 5
Takahara Ayumi: 17.0%: OVER - 5
Tsukamoto Tenma: 11.0%: UNDER - 5
Fear Kubrick: 13.0%: OVER - 5
Holo: 14.0%: OVER - 5
Dalian: 53.0%: UNDER - 5
Morishima Haruka: 52.0%: OVER - 5
Tsukimiya Ayu: 50.0%: OVER - 5
Chitanda Eru/Ibara Mayaka: 66.0%: OVER - 5

Total Wager: 70
loudmouth wrote:While I do think this fantasy is slightly more interesting to the people who do it, it takes much longer and since I don't have much free time I can't participate.
Same feelings as loudmouth, though I think this system of Fantasy is more interesting and strategic, just somewhat tedious to do well (but that's the incentive for the top scorers to put in all that extra effort, right?).
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by shiraoky » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:15 am

I don't know what im doing.

Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 5
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 3
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : OVER - 4
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : OVER - 3
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : OVER - 3
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : OVER - 4
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : UNDER - 3
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 2
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Dalian: : 53.0% : OVER - 4
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : OVER - 3
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : UNDER - 3
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : OVER - 4
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Eater-of-All » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:42 am

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Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : UNDER - 5
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 5
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 5
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : OVER - 5
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : UNDER - 5
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : UNDER - 5
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : UNDER - 5
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : OVER - 5
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 5
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Dalian: : 53.0% : UNDER - 5
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : UNDER - 5
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : OVER - 5
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 5

Wager Count (1,2,3,4,5):(0,0,0,0,14)
Total Wager Value:70
Like everything, it depends what the focus is. If fantasy is meant for the hardcore stats people, this system is perfectly fine. If you want to promote more casual players joining, then yes it needs to be simpler. The "same people dominating the top" thing is not a problem as long as casual players are not forced to play a certain way / compete with them (which, I realized, is kinda what the limited bet distribution is doing).
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Re: FANTASY: 2012 Amethyst 8 *Rules update*

Post by Miyuri » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:04 am

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Aisaka Taiga: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Nagato Yuki: : 17.0% : OVER - 5
Ichinose Kotomi: : 15.0% : UNDER - 5
Kōsaka Kirino: : 20.0% : UNDER - 5
Akiyama Mio: : 26.0% : UNDER - 5
Suzumiya Haruhi: : 28.0% : OVER - 5
Takahara Ayumi: : 17.0% : UNDER - 5
Tsukamoto Tenma: : 11.0% : OVER - 5
Fear Kubrick: : 13.0% : UNDER - 5
Holo: : 14.0% : OVER - 5
Dalian: : 53.0% : UNDER - 5
Morishima Haruka: : 52.0% : UNDER - 5
Tsukimiya Ayu: : 50.0% : OVER - 5
Chitanda Eru / Ibara Mayaka: : 66.0% : UNDER - 5
Wager Count (1,2,3,4,5):(0,0,0,0,14)
Total Wager Value:70
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