Game: ISML, The Different Story

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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:56 am

There have been many rule changes and stuff. I don't agree with some of you guys who appear to be trying to justify a breach with "it doesn't matter because nothing would have changed."
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Kiwigiwi » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:17 am

Momo wrote: Gara deleted 2 posts in this thread yesterday. I don't know the nature of the posts however
For your information, those were not vote posts. Those were posts addressing the rule changes that Chibasa proposed, but I deleted those because I felt my points were not substantial enough and decided to withhold making a comment until I figure out a way to put my points across more objectively.

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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by mazza411 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:43 am

RailWarrior wrote:There have been many rule changes and stuff. I don't agree with some of you guys who appear to be trying to justify a breach with "it doesn't matter because nothing would have changed."
As I said, I was under the impression that it isn't a breach since it was edited within 15 minutes. The second scenario I mentioned wasn't that "if it's a breach, it doesn't matter because nothing would have changed", it was that if the initial post were considered invalid:
1. after lischan's change, instrern's post would still be valid, in which case
2. Momo coming back after her consult stated that her vote after that would remain the same, and so
3. my post about 15 minutes later would be the next vote where I would do the same vote as my previous post, changing only my proposal to match instrern's proposal. So
4. subsequent players should play off instrern's proposal since Chibasa posted, saw the error but didn't declare the posts invalid. So in the absence of that invalidation, it should be assumed that it wasn't considered invalid and the round should continue regardless.

If it is to be retrospectively counted invalid, the time should be extended from that point otherwise Chibasa's passing comment is quite misleading and effectively blocks out the subsequent voters.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:43 am

I think that train of thinking is more akin to a thought experiment than what actually happens. The inevitable end would be just imagining the result into existence.

From my limited experience, there have been a lot of errors. So much so that I wonder if there might not even be a difference if one just implemented a "do whatever you want" rule!
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:19 am

^I don't really see the point since I didn't take any decision yet. I just said that I'll need to read 50 pages to know if in this case rules were broken.
In worst case (rules broken) some people (lischan and those which vote after her) voted for nothing and will re-vote tomorrow during same hours (something like 3:00 to 6:45 a.m London Time, if I remember correctly.
In other case, I'll close vote with mine.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:47 am

I politely suggest that a revote not be the go as the rules have been broken.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:53 am

I don't really get what you want? Invalidate all votes in page 163?
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by WoodyMC » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:08 am

I think RW's point state that you can't just let people simply revote when you had considered them breaking the rules. Well, that's why there's baka point and all, which would be the most appropriate thing to go with the revote i think.

Further technically speaking, I think RW also mean that Momo vote has been invalid because she didn't provide the correct form of the new vote edit (with disable) and should revote/edit right after that. But then again, you are the host and you didn't tell them to edit/ revote at that time, so we couldn't blame them either.

My suggestion, again, would be a baka point going along with the revote. Else, if you consider that's not a rule broken action, we move on.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:20 am

Of course there will be a baka point in the re-vote case ._.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by WoodyMC » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:21 am

Chibasa wrote:Of course there will be a baka point in the re-vote case ._.
Well the problem is : you didn't clearly stated that.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:34 am

Because it goes without saying, but I don't think it's RW problem here... Since he seemed to had a problem even before that I talk about re-vote case (without mentioned the BP).
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:35 am

Hello Chibasa, thank you for your contribution to the ISML Forum community and how you put so much effort into running this game for all of us to enjoy! We really appreciate your hard work!

If I may, I would like to politely suggest that the rules perhaps be a little more strictly adhered to so as to limit actions that may be viewed to be excessively 'people-pleasing'. I, myself, found other activities to differ my opinion of the game such as when the rule limiting the number of Reverse actions in this game was introduced, I was apprehensive at the prospect of changing the rules so suddenly and in the middle of play.

I believe that while this game may be developing, it is best to stick to the initial plan.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Fuijiwara » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:03 am

Also if I may add, if we are currently in a standstill due to a problem, unless Chibasa CLEARLY MENTIONS that we should continue the game, please and for god sake please don't post a vote. You're just going to cause more confusion to the clustershit we already have.

We don't need another H/H case where we have to shut down this game due to the rules.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Momo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:54 am

Reminder again to be civil.

- The option for a revote would be a consideration so the people are not penalised for something that someone else did. It would presumably be the equivalent of the game being paused for the duration of Chibasa's confusion.
- I apologize for not editing/reposting the vote, I was still in clinic and was only partially following the whole thing. I thought that this post meant the posts were ok and I didn't need to. Had it been stated that the edit was not ok, or that my post was invalid for the lack of the strikethrough, I would, of course, have reposted the same vote.
- For the record, H/H was put on hold not because rules, but because the stuff people were doing became worse than cancer and it will be on indefinite hold until Desu PM's me the stuff he needs to PM me. I hope that this thread will not head in the same direction please.
- Unhelpful posts have been deleted and the thread is now locked until things are settled. If you have helpful, constructive feedback, feel free to hop onto irc at #isml and hunt Chibaka down.

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Momo wrote: Gara deleted 2 posts in this thread yesterday. I don't know the nature of the posts however
For your information, those were not vote posts. Those were posts addressing the rule changes that Chibasa proposed, but I deleted those because I felt my points were not substantial enough and decided to withhold making a comment until I figure out a way to put my points across more objectively.
Yeah, I didn't really think they were. It was a bit of an FYI for Chibasa because he can't see the mod log, and more so you could make this post right here and have it on statement so that everything is clear and the action cannot be misconstrued and brought up like 500 pages later as a reason why X can do Y because Z has done BS.

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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by WoodyMC » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:05 pm

Question: Did RW really rephrase those or you just edited them for "looking better" reason? Just wanna know
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Momo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:14 pm

I edited them to... sound a bit more constructive. Because RW's comments are not without points, they were just phrased... unnecessarily harshly. Believe it or not, I do try to avoid editing people's comments as much as possible.

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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:00 pm

If you need to talk about what happened and it's constructive: go on General discussion. If it's not constructive: Keep it for yourself. Don't forget to be polite and respect everyone.

Round will restart Wednesday from 02:45 a.m to 06:45 a.m London Time from Vin_x8 vote. I'll give the start.

Lischan will have one BP but still can vote in this round.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Desufire » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:04 pm

Will entire round be restarted?
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Chibasa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:15 pm

Round will restart Wednesday from 02:45 a.m to 06:45 a.m London Time from Vin_x8 vote. I'll give the start.

All people which voted page 162 don't have to vote again.
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Re: Game: ISML, The Different Story

Post by Just » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:13 am

Guess this will be the place where we'll be starting from, then? 0 0 All votes on Page 163 will be made invalid.

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