I would like to point out that I was ready to end this discussion when I stated on Tuesday
that I would probably get used to the new movies taking precedence over the pre-2014 novels if given enough time. But I'll take this opportunity to describe the important parts of the Star Wars
canon from the Wikipedia article, which should finally (hopefully) clarify where I was coming from in my initial post.
The highest level of Star Wars canon consists of the six released Star Wars theatrical feature films, along with the Star Wars animated film and television series The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. The upcoming feature film Star Wars: The Force Awakens (along with the untitled Episode VIII and Episode IX) is also considered to be of the highest canon. The Star Wars Expanded Universe, on the other hand, is often reordered in levels of canonicity and time placement to make way for changes in the higher levels of canon.
On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm officially revised and solidified the canon, stating that all previously released Expanded Universe works would be rebranded under the new Star Wars Legends banner, in order to ensure a flowing timeline with the release of the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
The Star Wars
canon is divided into several levels:
- G-canon (George Lucas canon): Considered absolute canon, it includes Episodes I–VI (the most recently released versions) and the upcoming Episodes VII–IX feature films, the animated film, and any statements by George Lucas. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction.
- T-canon (Television canon): Refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels
- C-canon (Continuity canon): Consisting of materials from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. On April 25, 2014, all previously released C-Canon was officially bumped to S-Canon, and will be replaced by all-new C-Canon material.
- S-canon (Secondary canon): Covering the same medium as C-canon, it is immediately superseded by anything in higher levels of canon in any place where two elements contradict each other. The non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe.
- N-canon (Non-canon): "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. Any published material that contradicts things established in G-canon and T-canon is considered N-canon.
To boil it down, prior to the 2012 Disney acquisition, there were two separate continuities: Film-only continuity (maintained and followed by George Lucas himself) and Film+EU continuity (used for licensed products). With the 2014 canon-shift, there is a more definitive gap between the film canon and the EU canon (as shown by the C-canon-to-S-canon shift).
As for the sequel trilogy, it's basically what I stated before. That over the years what George Lucas has said about the plot of the sequel trilogy (and even whether or not it would actually get made) has varied widely. From 1976 to about 1981, he had mentioned vague snippets of ideas for any storylines past Return of the Jedi
. But from the mid-1990s until Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm in 2012 (which by the way, covers nearly the entirety of what has been published in the Expanded Universe that depicted events post-Return of the Jedi
), George Lucas had no plans to make a sequel trilogy. So Lucas himself has changed his mind over the years.
To be more accurate, my original reaction to the trailer was partly derived from an exaggerated knee-jerk reaction to the April 2014 canon-shift. It was more or less me venting. The quoted part within the above spoiler tag is what is actually relevant.
The following is in reply to your most recent post, section by section:
I took issue with you suggesting the Star Wars
fandom is in an uproar, because it seemed you based it on my own personal stance in the fandom and generalized the entire fanbase off it. There are fans who like the Original Trilogy only, those that like the prequels (yes, fans exist, mostly the younger fans whose first exposure to Star Wars
were the prequels), those that like the Expanded Universe, and those that don't. And any combination in between.
As for being able to make works that fit within the canon (your Star Trek
example), the Star Wars
canon is much more complex than simply being canon or non-canon (as the above canon levels show). My opinion is that much of the Star Wars
EU had fit with (or at least, did not contradict) the films enough that they could coexist.
I am well aware of the "history repeats itself" saying. But I was taking issue with your casual attribution of the Star Wars
canon-shifting to the Star Wars
fanbase not "learning from history" from the other sci-fi franchises, when you didn't seem to consider that all Star Wars
fans may not be fans of other sci-fi franchises or were aware of the histories of those franchises. You can't learn from history if you never took the class before. And even so, it's not the fandom's fault that there was a canon-shift. That falls squarely on Disney for opting to make new films.
About me first stating that the EU was removed from canon, I wasn't prepared for a long, contracted debate in my earliest posts because I didn't know how long it would last (I must have forgotten who I was conversing with, obviously
). Therefore some of my language may not have been exact. Either way, I do believe I used the phrase "pretend it doesn't exist" rather than it being removed entirely, and the way I used that phrase, I didn't mean it literally. Poor word choice on my part, though I guess.
As for the timeline for Star Trek
, according to Wikipedia, TOS
took place during the 2260s, and TNG
, and DS9
all took place during the 2360s and 2370s. Enterprise
took place during the 2150s, but since you said its canonicity was thrown out (by fan disapproval?!), I'll ignore it. Like I stated before, I didn't watch enough episodes to gauge when each series individually happened, so I'm fine with being corrected on this.
The reason why I mentioned the existence of alternate dimensions/time travel/etc. as possible mechanisms for continuity adjustment was because I remember a couple of episodes where strange space-time continuum stuff occurred. It would be easy enough to use those to do pretty much whatever with the franchise, I would think. You know, space is vast and the rules of the universe aren't fully explained; that sort of thing. (Didn't one instance of the Voyager
get blown up during one storyline, but another Voyager
(with the same crew) from a different dimension/timeline survive?)