Kurogarasu wrote:Using an old sword doesn't make her flawed. Being stubborn is a flaw. Being impatient is a flaw. Having trouble socializing is a flaw. Pride is a flaw.
Given that the statements you made about being flaws are what I was pointing out.. She's stubborn, refusing to change swords after at least Kirito tells her that the sword will be useless.
The sword itself isn't the flaw, her reasoning is the flaw.
Kurogarasu wrote:Shana's past makes her flawed. Because of her training, she has become unable to comprehend what love is. So much that she struggles with the meaning of love, the meaning of emotions. She develops from it over time. THAT is the true definition of character development.
Asuna doesn't develop. She's the same character before and after the story began. Saying she used to hate kirito is not a flaw. Do you even know what flaws are? Flaws are things a character themselves have that make them imperfect beings. Shana is imperfect because she is selfish and has to practically learn how to love someone.
The statement about Shana and most other girls being Mary Sue's at the beginning was pointing out that, when you first meet a character, they have no flaws, that's just how anime works.
The flaws with Hinagiku are there at the beginning, but you don't see them until later.
Also about reading the manga:
People have the choice whether or not they want to read the source material. I've said this on the jojo fandom, and I will say it here. DON'T tell people "you cannot judge something because you don't read or play all of the adaptations of a series". You're essentially shutting down any criticisms an anime watcher has for the ANIME-version of characters just because there are other materials.
What I'm judging is Asuna's character from what I watch from the anime. I don't care about how she is in the manga. If a person isn't allowed to give their opinions on something just because they haven't read or played any other adaptations of the same story, by that logic 80% of Shana haters are unjustified, as they most probably have never read the manga.
So you're saying that I can't argue against a character not having flaws because I refuse to watch more than the first episode of an anime?
You're shutting down the argument because you refuse to see all of Asuna, not because the anime depicts her in a certain way (which actually, it doesn't. I watched the entire first season and never saw anything of her being 'unflawed' in there. She clearly had flaws, they were just mostly glossed over in the anime.)
So you're alright with me calling Shana a Mary Sue then?
And BTW, despite my statement about how Orihime is redeemed a little, she's still annoying to me because of other changes to her personality within the same arc. The event was simply the quickest example. The arc turned her into a 'princess in a tower' and turned her powers into god-like ones, which neither was hinted at earlier.
Someone else, who supposedly got his powers similarly is one of the weakest fighters in the series actually.
Although I don't like him, I won't say that I hate Gilgamesh because I haven't read the VN or other sources that might explain him a little more. I will say that it would take a lot to redeem him though.