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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by maglor » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:40 am

We have a decisive winner

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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by exec » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:42 pm

maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by Toady » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:41 pm

exec wrote:
maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
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Apparently you should remove only one candidate per round. If the number of #1 position is the same, you look at the number of #2 position and so on.
However it was not clear to me from the example in the President election if you have to remove the candidates only in the first position of the string or everywhere in the string. For example, if last round is 1 vs. 2 and you have
123
132
213
213

If you get rid of all the '3's, you have a draw. If you look at the number of #2 positions by keeping the '3's, 1 would win.
What is the correct way?
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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by exec » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:03 pm

Toady wrote:
exec wrote:
maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
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Apparently you should remove only one candidate per round. If the number of #1 position is the same, you look at the number of #2 position and so on.
However it was not clear to me from the example in the President election if you have to remove the candidates only in the first position of the string or everywhere in the string. For example, if last round is 1 vs. 2 and you have
123
132
213
213

If you get rid of all the '3's, you have a draw. If you look at the number of #2 positions by keeping the '3's, 1 would win.
What is the correct way?
I don't think you need to remove only one candidate per round just the candidates with least votes.
I'm going to tell how I understand this system and you check if I'm correct.
Example case is in the spoiler above.
We take all the 1st level votes aka the candidates that people actually want to win.
We look at the results and see that two candidates are out, because they have no votes, and two only got 2 votes each.
We split the votes of those two according to their second level vote aka the person who they aren't voting for but rather have than others.
So we look at the votes and see that #4 2nd level votes are for #3&#7 we add those votes to them accordingly, then we look at #5 it's the same, so #3 gets +2 votes and #7 gets +2 votes.
Next round we see that #1 has the least amount of votes, so we split their votes according to the voters 2nd choice. +2 to #3 and since #6 is out next level is #7 who gets +1.
Lastly we have two candidates with least votes and the remainder is the winner.
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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by maglor » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:19 pm

exec wrote:
Toady wrote:
exec wrote:
maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
SpoilerShow
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Apparently you should remove only one candidate per round. If the number of #1 position is the same, you look at the number of #2 position and so on.
However it was not clear to me from the example in the President election if you have to remove the candidates only in the first position of the string or everywhere in the string. For example, if last round is 1 vs. 2 and you have
123
132
213
213

If you get rid of all the '3's, you have a draw. If you look at the number of #2 positions by keeping the '3's, 1 would win.
What is the correct way?
I don't think you need to remove only one candidate per round just the candidates with least votes.
I'm going to tell how I understand this system and you check if I'm correct.
Example case is in the spoiler above.
We take all the 1st level votes aka the candidates that people actually want to win.
We look at the results and see that two candidates are out, because they have no votes, and two only got 2 votes each.
We split the votes of those two according to their second level vote aka the person who they aren't voting for but rather have than others.
So we look at the votes and see that #4 2nd level votes are for #3&#7 we add those votes to them accordingly, then we look at #5 it's the same, so #3 gets +2 votes and #7 gets +2 votes.
Next round we see that #1 has the least amount of votes, so we split their votes according to the voters 2nd choice. +2 to #3 and since #6 is out next level is #7 who gets +1.
Lastly we have two candidates with least votes and the remainder is the winner.
:Chiyo:

What you did is the conventional IRV method. I thought about going conventional but realized that our cases were different from typical political situations. In order to lesson the temptation for tactical voting, I decided to use the initial ballots as tie breaker whenever there is a tie for a last place. In 99% of the case, my tie breaker won't end up giving different result compared to the typical IRV. Still, if we find a case where it does, we really need to discuss what is the better thing for us to do.
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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by exec » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:09 pm

maglor wrote:
exec wrote:
Toady wrote:
exec wrote:
maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
SpoilerShow
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Apparently you should remove only one candidate per round. If the number of #1 position is the same, you look at the number of #2 position and so on.
However it was not clear to me from the example in the President election if you have to remove the candidates only in the first position of the string or everywhere in the string. For example, if last round is 1 vs. 2 and you have
123
132
213
213

If you get rid of all the '3's, you have a draw. If you look at the number of #2 positions by keeping the '3's, 1 would win.
What is the correct way?
I don't think you need to remove only one candidate per round just the candidates with least votes.
I'm going to tell how I understand this system and you check if I'm correct.
Example case is in the spoiler above.
We take all the 1st level votes aka the candidates that people actually want to win.
We look at the results and see that two candidates are out, because they have no votes, and two only got 2 votes each.
We split the votes of those two according to their second level vote aka the person who they aren't voting for but rather have than others.
So we look at the votes and see that #4 2nd level votes are for #3&#7 we add those votes to them accordingly, then we look at #5 it's the same, so #3 gets +2 votes and #7 gets +2 votes.
Next round we see that #1 has the least amount of votes, so we split their votes according to the voters 2nd choice. +2 to #3 and since #6 is out next level is #7 who gets +1.
Lastly we have two candidates with least votes and the remainder is the winner.
:Chiyo:

What you did is the conventional IRV method. I thought about going conventional but realized that our cases were different from typical political situations. In order to lesson the temptation for tactical voting, I decided to use the initial ballots as tie breaker whenever there is a tie for a last place. In 99% of the case, my tie breaker won't end up giving different result compared to the typical IRV. Still, if we find a case where it does, we really need to discuss what is the better thing for us to do.
Oh so in the third round you dismiss Kyo, split her votes and go into the forth round with Shiroe vs Asuka. I was thinking about it, but thought it didn't have any meaning since the result is the same.
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Re: REFORMED SEITOKAI: VP OF OPERATIONS

Post by maglor » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:20 am

exec wrote:
maglor wrote:
exec wrote:
Toady wrote:
exec wrote:
maglor wrote:We have a decisive winner

Shirogane Kei (Shiroe) (Log Horizon)


Please check the attached spreadsheet for any error.
Same result different numbers.. idk
SpoilerShow
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Apparently you should remove only one candidate per round. If the number of #1 position is the same, you look at the number of #2 position and so on.
However it was not clear to me from the example in the President election if you have to remove the candidates only in the first position of the string or everywhere in the string. For example, if last round is 1 vs. 2 and you have
123
132
213
213

If you get rid of all the '3's, you have a draw. If you look at the number of #2 positions by keeping the '3's, 1 would win.
What is the correct way?
I don't think you need to remove only one candidate per round just the candidates with least votes.
I'm going to tell how I understand this system and you check if I'm correct.
Example case is in the spoiler above.
We take all the 1st level votes aka the candidates that people actually want to win.
We look at the results and see that two candidates are out, because they have no votes, and two only got 2 votes each.
We split the votes of those two according to their second level vote aka the person who they aren't voting for but rather have than others.
So we look at the votes and see that #4 2nd level votes are for #3&#7 we add those votes to them accordingly, then we look at #5 it's the same, so #3 gets +2 votes and #7 gets +2 votes.
Next round we see that #1 has the least amount of votes, so we split their votes according to the voters 2nd choice. +2 to #3 and since #6 is out next level is #7 who gets +1.
Lastly we have two candidates with least votes and the remainder is the winner.
:Chiyo:

What you did is the conventional IRV method. I thought about going conventional but realized that our cases were different from typical political situations. In order to lesson the temptation for tactical voting, I decided to use the initial ballots as tie breaker whenever there is a tie for a last place. In 99% of the case, my tie breaker won't end up giving different result compared to the typical IRV. Still, if we find a case where it does, we really need to discuss what is the better thing for us to do.
Oh so in the third round you dismiss Kyo, split her votes and go into the forth round with Shiroe vs Asuka. I was thinking about it, but thought it didn't have any meaning since the result is the same.
Yes, that is what I did, and again, yes, the results did not change. You also didn't count that I had one person Sitemail me his/her vote to me. The relevant vote string was 356
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