ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

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ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:36 pm

Eligibility:

1. The character must be male.
2. The character must appear in a product that is published and distributed in Japanese media and is not rated 18+ or classified as pornographic.
3. The character most not have been in Top 8 of any Male Tournament, or in the Regular Season of any ISML season.
4. He must be shown in humanoid appearance.
5. He must have a clear name (a female name is NOT required) or a universal means of identification.
6. He must appear in cross dress (female clothing) in the animation, or undergo transformation into female state within animation.
6a. Male characters that cross dress must be in female clothing for either at least a third of one episode /or/ be a recurring event that occurs over multiple episodes.
6b. Male characters that transforms into female state must have more anime time in male state compared to time in female state.
7. Him being a trap cannot be an anime spoiler. A male character who will cross dress but not yet in the anime is not allowed. A female character who is actually a male but not yet revealed in the anime is not allowed.

There will be NO nominations because of sample size bias. Instead, discuss which characters are eligible, and the community will decide a Top 16 or that we will use to start the tournament.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by kanohistorm » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:28 pm

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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:59 pm

Question: Do we want to allow reverse traps? Please give arguments and not just a yes/no.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by exec » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:03 pm

Kholdy wrote:Question: Do we want to allow reverse traps? Please give arguments and not just a yes/no.
I say , Yay~
Because to hell with discrimination and I'm kinda curios to see how traps and reverse traps will match up against each other.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by RailWarrior » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:13 pm

Would allowing for reverse trap also allow for characters who never have their sex revealed? For example, Crona of Soul Eater.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:30 pm

I don't think I would approve of that.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by exec » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:30 pm

RailWarrior wrote:Would allowing for reverse trap also allow for characters who never have their sex revealed? For example, Crona of Soul Eater.
I don't think that's a good idea, since we can't tell if she is a trap or not. Basically a Schrödinger's cat.
As in if she wins this tourney and it's later revealed that she is not a trap... well, tourney results become nonsense.
Otherwise we are seifu. We could just disclaim that the results only show the situation at an exact moment when Crona was in a superstate of being and not being a trap, so it's kinda safe, but i wouldn't go there.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Bastion » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:57 pm

Kholdy wrote:Question: Do we want to allow reverse traps? Please give arguments and not just a yes/no.
I would say "Yes". It's a trap tournament, that should include female traps. The rules would have to be changed to accommodate though. I would say that anyone who can fit into the 'Hideyoshi' gender should be accepted.

As for unrevealed. There's a character in Medaka Box (season 2) that their gender is never (the manga has ended without an answer) proved, they even came back multiple times after being defeated.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Fuijiwara » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:17 pm

<Inb4 everyone realises Armin is a girl.




Btw, on the same note, can we allow Armin in since we always knew him as a male.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Sphire » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:07 am

I think if you're going to do a tourney like this, you should include both trap and reverse trap as it'll provide a bigger sample and it gives equal chance to both sides, unless a reverse trap tourney is planned somewhere down the line.

Also, this may just be me, but I remember a video game being crapped on for using the term 'trap', as some people find that term derogatory. So, yea, I dunno, might need to think carefully about the title.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by avery-kun » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:11 am

So I know that usually ISML is anime focused, but the use of "Japanese media" forces me to ask. Can I nominate manga characters?
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by 10ZHAbin » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:13 am

I don't know about Armin when his trap version is still manga only.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:44 am

avery-kun wrote:So I know that usually ISML is anime focused, but the use of "Japanese media" forces me to ask. Can I nominate manga characters?
We have to keep it anime-only, which is what the anime spoiler clause is for.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Homura » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:24 am

exec wrote:see how traps and reverse traps will match up against each other.
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nice idea! ^^
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:07 am

10ZHAbin wrote:I don't know about Armin when his trap version is still manga only.
Nope. It's official now. Everyone knows.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by BugH » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:18 am

it will be nice if we can see one of our male champion goes to trap tournament
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:23 am

Okay, suppose reverse-traps will be accepted, and we raise our total to 32 characters admitted.

NOW, please move your discussion to what characters you think we should consider, and what are the borderline cases that may/may not work. To give a starting point, here is our current list of accepted characters:

Shidou Mariya
Souma Ritsu
Shirogane Naoto (R)
Fujioka Haruhi (R)
Fujisaki Nadeshiko
Miyanokouji Mizuho
Mako-chan
Watarase Jun
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Kirigaza Kazuto, Konoe Subaru
Because we didn't watch all possible anime, we don't know if someone crossdresses in a specific episode, so help us out. For example, some people told me that Ciel Phantomhive is eligible. Did he really crossdress in the anime or is it just some fanart?
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by RailWarrior » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:35 am

Totsuka Saika (OreGaIru)
Touzokuyama Megumu (Kanojo ga Flag)
Koga Norio (Naru Taru)
Hoshino Daruku (Ryuugajou Nanana)
Urushibara Ruka (Steins;Gate)
Takanashi Souta/Kotori-chan (Working!)
Kazehaya Kamito/Ren Ashbell (Seirei Tsukai)
Kashima Yuu (R) (Gekkan Shoujo)
Kikuchi Makoto (R) (The [email protected])
Also heard Ayasaki Hayate is forced to cross dress on occasion.
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by Chocola » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:56 am

I also heard so too. But is it only one episode? Can someone verify if Hayate crossdresses in multiple episodes to satisfy our requirement?
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Re: ISML 2014 Trap Tournament - General Discussion

Post by kanohistorm » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:06 am

Kholdy wrote:I also heard so too. But is it only one episode? Can someone verify if Hayate crossdresses in multiple episodes to satisfy our requirement?
Hinagiku's birthday (which led to Izumi's brother being introduced) from the original series and
Ruka's concert in HnG Cuties
are the two major episodes where Hayate crossdressing became part of the "story"

there were also a few cameos where nagi/maria made him crossdress for fun in the anime.
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