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SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by BT Salt » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:16 am

this is my proposal --- reword the rules of the seasonal contest so that it's fairly understandable "in layman's terms", and add a EXPLANATIONS section so that no ambiguity / confusion arises.

THIS RULE IS EFFECTIVE STARTING ISML 2021 (if it ever continues that is)
SEASONAL CHARACTER ELIGIBILITYShow
ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA
1. Character must be biologically female.
---- If the character is genderless or unknown, they will be accepted if:
---------- they exhibit predominantly feminine characteristics, or
---------- the audience considers them to be female.
2. Character must be human, humanoid, or anthropomorphic (given human characteristics).
3. Character must be relevant to the story.
4. Character must have at least ??? spoken lines.
5. Character must appear in an anime series with any new ANIMATED installment PREMIERING, AIRING, or RELEASED within THIS YEAR'S following dates:
  • winter: January 1 - March 31
  • spring: April 1 - June 30
  • summer: July 1 - September 30
  • fall: October 1 - December 31
Character is ineligible if:
1. she is already qualified for THIS YEAR's preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions
2. she has won the "Seasonal Diadem" before
3. she has made past the nominations in any of the previous eight seasonal contests.





EXPLANATIONS (Edit 2)
1. What counts as a "new animated installment"?
--- TV episodes, seasons, and cours (original air date)
--- Films (theatrical release or BLU-RAY DISC release; Japanese dates only)
--- OVA / OAD (Original video animation)
--- ONA (Original web animation)

Spin-offs, sequels, and cross-over shows will be entered under the name of the character's original series.

EXAMPLES:
Spin-off example:
Winter 2020: Magia Record (adaptation of Madoka mobile RPG spin-off)
--- Iroha Tamaki @ Puella Magi Madoka Magica
--- Kyouko Sakura @ Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Sequel example:
Fall 2020: Yashahime (animated sequel spin-off of Inuyasha)
--- Moroha @ Inuyasha
--- Kagome Higurashi @ Inuyasha

Crossover example:
Spring 2019: Isekai Quartet season 2
--- Ram @ Re:Zero
--- Aqua @ Konosuba



2. "Character is ineligible if she passed the nominations in one of the previous eight seasonal contests". How does that work?
---> "Passed the nominations" - Exactly as it says. If a girl passes nominations she will appear in the seasonal contest's preliminary rounds (usually approval voting group stage) and will have their faces shown in the main website.
---> The "PREVIOUS EIGHT SEASONAL CONTESTS" amounts to at least 24 months' worth of gap between appearances. Which means that if a character appears in a seasonal contest, she'll be disqualified for the next 8 seasonal contests (no exceptions) before she can hope to compete again.
---> The rule only applies to characters who are making their second or more appearances in the seasonal contest. Debutants are NOT affected.
---> The rule also prevents characters from multi-cour and long-running shows from constantly appearing in the seasonal contests.

Example 1: Suppose Nami from the long-running show One Piece appeared in Winter 2020. If we use the rule mentioned above, then her next possible eligible seasonal contest will be Spring 2022 (not winter 2022), because she'll have to wait out EIGHT SEASONALS [Spring 2020, Summer 2020, Fall 2020, Winter 2021, Spring 2021, Summer 2021, Fall 2021, Winter 2022] before appearing in her next seasonal contest.

Example 2: The 3rd season of Gochiusa (subtitled BLOOM) will air in Fall 2020. Here are the main girls' eligibility if we use the rule above:
  • Chino Kafuu and Kokoa Hoto are obviously disqualified
  • Sharo Kirima: Eligible (did not appear in ISML 2020 and did not appear in any seasonal whatsoever)
  • Chiya Ujimatsu: Eligible (same situation as Sharo)
  • Rize Tedeza: Eligible (her last seasonal was in Spring 2013, seven years or 28 seasonal contests ago.)
Not a final version --- feedback is much appreciated. The text will change according to my whims and feedback from other users.
Suggested changes are shown in green.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM PROPOSAL

Post by BT Salt » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:46 pm

BT Salt wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:16 am
1. What counts as a "new animated installment"?
---> TV seasons and episodes
---> Films: Standalone or sequels. Japanese date of theatrical release or Blu-ray disc release only. (I guess recaps don't count?)
---> OVA (Original Video Animation, aka Made-for-DVD)
---> ONA (Original Net Animation, aka animation released on the Internet)
This section should hopefully fully explain the criteria in which shows are allowed for the seasonal contest, because there were several examples that seemingly made no sense for the average voter:
  • Hello World: According to MyAnimeList and Wikipedia, the film was released on September 20, 2019 --- which meant that their characters should be entered in Fall 2019 seasonal. However, Ruri Ichigyou, one of its characters, appeared in the Spring 2020 seasonal instead. Why? Because according to @Ennadai:
Ennadai wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:20 pm
as for the animated movies, either the theatrical release or the disc release could enable the characters to take part in the seasonal tournaments. in this case, Ichigyō Ruri is eligible for spring because the disc release date of the movie is 8th April 2020.

Speaking of BD releases, the following show was classified as eligible for the following seasonals:
  • Hibike! Euphonium: Asuka Tanaka appeared in Winter 2020, because she last appeared in the third movie Gekijōban Hibike! Euphonium: Chikai no Fināre --- its BD release date was on February 26, 2020, while the Japan film release date was on April 19, 2019. Source from Fandom wikia
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by liuxinyu970226 » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Under your proposal, characters from Maesetsu are no longer eligible, because they will be considered as from Lucky Star, which we can just wait for 2021 main tournament?
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by BT Salt » Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:23 pm

liuxinyu970226 wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:07 pm
Under your proposal, characters from Maesetsu are no longer eligible, because they will be considered as from Lucky Star, which we can just wait for 2021 main tournament?
Maesetsu is an original anime series with a manga adaptation. It is NOT a spin-off of Lucky Star.
Although the author of Lucky Star (Kagami Yoshimizu) is one of Maesetsu's scriptwriters, the two series are unrelated to each other.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by Hitokiri Battōsai » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:16 am

I think that in regard to disqualification point (1): "she qualifies for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions" should be changed to read:
(1) "she is eligible for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions"

This prevents girls who have debuted in previous years/seasons who are thus eligible for nomination in the ISML main competition etc gaining nomination in seasonal competitions and preserves the seasonals for new upcoming characters.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by BT Salt » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:46 pm

Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:16 am
I think that in regard to disqualification point (1): "she qualifies for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions" should be changed to read:
(1) "she is eligible for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions"

This prevents girls who have debuted in previous years/seasons who are thus eligible for nomination in the ISML main competition etc gaining nomination in seasonal competitions and preserves the seasonals for new upcoming characters.
thanks for feedback. Frankly it's due for a rewriting now since i made a spreadsheet in Microsoft onedrive

What about
  • (1) "she is already qualified for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions"
i feel like it's a better word choice. "Already qualified to regular season" means that it has happened way before the seasonal started..
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by Hitokiri Battōsai » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:12 am

BT Salt wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:46 pm
Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:16 am
I think that in regard to disqualification point (1): "she qualifies for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions" should be changed to read:
(1) "she is eligible for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions"

This prevents girls who have debuted in previous years/seasons who are thus eligible for nomination in the ISML main competition etc gaining nomination in seasonal competitions and preserves the seasonals for new upcoming characters.
thanks for feedback. Frankly it's due for a rewriting now since i made a spreadsheet in Microsoft onedrive

What about
  • (1) "she is already qualified for [THIS YEAR]'s preliminary / regular season or tournament of champions"
i feel like it's a better word choice. "Already qualified to regular season" means that it has happened way before the seasonal started..
Hi
I prefer using the concept of eligibility rather than qualified Because qualified's meaning is a little blurry in that context. It can mean "eligible for" (as you are using it) or it can mean qualified as in "already achieved a place in" - As in "Asuna has qualified for the main tournament competition". Therefore to remove ambiguity I would suggest using eligible as that clearly refers to a character who is eligible for the preliminaries, main tournament or ToC as being the criteria for being blocked from participating in the seasonal competitions.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by BT Salt » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:53 am

Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:12 am
... or it can mean qualified as in "already achieved a place in" - As in "Asuna has qualified for the main tournament competition"
(sorry for late reply)
uhhh.... that's exactly what i was going for. Since seasonal contest takes place after the main tournament starts, it would make sense if characters already appearing in the main tournament wouldn't be allowed there.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by Hitokiri Battōsai » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:14 am

BT Salt wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:53 am
Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:12 am
... or it can mean qualified as in "already achieved a place in" - As in "Asuna has qualified for the main tournament competition"
(sorry for late reply)
uhhh.... that's exactly what i was going for. Since seasonal contest takes place after the main tournament starts, it would make sense if characters already appearing in the main tournament wouldn't be allowed there.
So in other words you are okay with old hack characters who either failed to make the initial cut in the main contest, and/or those characters who have already been dropped from the main tournament, appearing in seasonals at the expense of new upcoming characters from the most recent season? Because that is what using "qualified" will do as we have already seen in the most recent seasonal nomination process. "Eligible" prevents those older characters being nominated in seasonals period.
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Re: SEASONAL RULES REFORM REWORDING

Post by BT Salt » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:47 pm

Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:14 am
So in other words you are okay with old hack characters who either failed to make the initial cut in the main contest, and/or those characters who have already been dropped from the main tournament, appearing in seasonals at the expense of new upcoming characters from the most recent season? Because that is what using "qualified" will do as we have already seen in the most recent seasonal nomination process. "Eligible" prevents those older characters being nominated in seasonals period.
i think you're mistaken
"Eligible" only means that a character is allowed to be nominated, but it DOES NOT guarantee qualification (meaning she does not enter the contest yet).
If a character is eligible for both main tournament and seasonals, then qualification for Main Tournament will take priority. If she does NOT qualify to Main, then she may qualify for seasonal ONLY IF she has ENOUGH nominations.

Take Asuka Tanaka from Euphonium on 2020 for example --- she's eligible for both 2020 winter seasonal and 2020 main tournament. However, she failed to qualify for Main Tournament. But she had enough nominations for Winter seasonal, causing her to qualify in that tournament instead

In the case of Sinon and Leafa from SAO:
Both characters are eligible for 2020 summer seasonal. However, Sinon qualified for the 2020 main tourney, so she's obviously banned in summer. Leafa, on the other hand, failed to qualify in Main, making her eligible for Summer, but she needed enough nominations to qualify. Which she did, hence her appearance in the seasonal.
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