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Rule Change Suggestions

Post by maglor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:59 pm

Please deposit your rule change suggestions here. WE will take a look and adopt/adapt them if it seems good and is acceptable to majority of people.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by IGNITE » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:40 pm

Characters with more than 50 match appearances should not qualify for Seasonal.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by HasbeenaHibiki » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm

Characters who already appeared in ISML starting from Preliminaries for two years should be automatically be in Stella. Although this is more applicable to ISML 2022 but Nova should be series/characters from 2019-2021 who didn't appear in ISML yet or appeared in ISML for one year. While Seasonal should be for characters that appeared in 2022 or their series are airing in 2022 but never made an ISML appearance.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by tehyc » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:48 am

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Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
Characters who already appeared in ISML starting from Preliminaries for two years should be automatically be in Stella. Although this is more applicable to ISML 2022 but Nova should be series/characters from 2019-2021 who didn't appear in ISML yet or appeared in ISML for one year. While Seasonal should be for characters that appeared in 2022 or their series are airing in 2022 but never made an ISML appearance.
Just to make sure my understanding is correct, so means even the character is strong enough but she's 1 year old, she can't contest Tiara bcs she's in Nova, right?
In other words, you need to be 2 years old to contest Tiara.?
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by AJ_Goh » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:51 am

If you really want to make Nova & Stella with equivalent status, both divisions should have similar shot on necklace/pendant/jewelry matches.
Let's say 4 spots from each division for last 4 necklaces (And 6/2 spots for pendants).

The cons are, each seasonal is incredibly unbalanced. Currently the "elite tier older" characters can only join Nova if your anime is aired in winter & spring, but not summer & autumn. Even the competitiveness between Nova & Stella aren't on the same rank. So the last two seasonals are expected to have non-competitive characters in necklaces.

But I expect this suggestion is gonna be rejected by "majority". As there's a similar suggestion that trying to add some Nova characters into necklace was rejected recently. I believe these changes are gonna have a great impact on "majority's factions" necklace arrangement/agreement.

The thing is, Stella & Nova will never have the same status if you're trying to follow majority. Even it's officially stated in the site. Unless there's a significant changes on nomination rule in following years.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by starryrainynight » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:25 am

How about if we allow characters participate in both Nova and Stella as long as they are eligible?
Then we just need to simply add some bans.
For example, if one character win a necklace/diadem, she will not be eligible for posters and postseason seats in the other division; every character can only advance to one postseason tournament; if she is top 16 at both divisions after group stage, or win two posters at the same matchday, then Nova side first.
If we allow them participate in both side, the imbalance problem between four seasons can be solved. And for new characters who are pushed out of Nova by old ones, if we cancelled 1/3 rule at the same time, we can simply reply them that they are not strong enough to have more nomination votes.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by BT Salt » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:46 pm

HasbeenaHibiki wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
Characters who already appeared in ISML starting from Preliminaries for two years should be automatically be in Stella. Although this is more applicable to ISML 2022 but Nova should be series/characters from 2019-2021 who didn't appear in ISML yet or appeared in ISML for one year. While Seasonal should be for characters that appeared in 2022 or their series are airing in 2022 but never made an ISML appearance.
Strongly agree on this rule.

These are my suggestions for seasonal / nova next year:
1. Increase number of contestants on male seasonals (preferably the same as females). Name the award the "Seasonal Coronet" or similar.
2. If someone has already appeared in a seasonal contest or Main Tournament, they must be INELIGIBLE for future seasonal contests. What's the point of finding the best new girl from each season if the majority of competitors are former ISML veterans? Also, the current rule for Nova means that Long-runners like One Piece and Detective Conan are always relegated to seasonals.

More importantly, we need to discuss which anime belong to each season, because some of the contestants in this year's nova seemingly don't make sense, such as:
-- Tanjiro in Winter and Nezuko in Spring (Tanjiro appeared in KnY Valentine's spinoff)
-- Tohru Honda in Winter instead of Spring / Summer (because of Furuba S3 early screening)
-- Hori / Yuki (Horimiya), Fuka / Hinami (Tomozaki-kun), Shimarin / Nadeshiko (Yuru Camp),and Ai / Neiru (WEP) in different seasonals for some reason
-- Tanya? Is it because of the desert pasta OVA?
This leads me to think that each contestant is assigned on a particular season on a case by case basis.

AJ_Goh wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:51 am
The thing is, Stella & Nova will never have the same status if you're trying to follow majority. Even it's officially stated in the site. Unless there's a significant changes on nomination rule in following years.
This..... no matter how you rename it, seasonal will never be equal to the main tournament. I like having an award for the "best new girl/boy" from each year, but the new "nova" division should be contested between appropriate contestants. It shouldn't be a glorified "Main Tournament-lite" division (which i think is isml 2021's seasonals in practice)
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by HasbeenaHibiki » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:13 pm

tehyc wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:48 am
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Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
Characters who already appeared in ISML starting from Preliminaries for two years should be automatically be in Stella. Although this is more applicable to ISML 2022 but Nova should be series/characters from 2019-2021 who didn't appear in ISML yet or appeared in ISML for one year. While Seasonal should be for characters that appeared in 2022 or their series are airing in 2022 but never made an ISML appearance.
Just to make sure my understanding is correct, so means even the character is strong enough but she's 1 year old, she can't contest Tiara bcs she's in Nova, right?
In other words, you need to be 2 years old to contest Tiara.?
She can contest in for Tiara despite being in Nova/1 years old.
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by Hitokiri Battōsai » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:41 am

The amount of old characters getting a spot in seasonal competitions is negating its purpose of finding the best new talent and destroying the seasonal's credibility. No character who has qualified for a main tournament before should be allowed to compete in a seasonal. No more Rams in seasonals!
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by Kurogaga » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:01 am

Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:41 am
The amount of old characters getting a spot in seasonal competitions is negating its purpose of finding the best new talent and destroying the seasonal's credibility. No character who has qualified for a main tournament before should be allowed to compete in a seasonal. No more Rams in seasonals!
I agree with you. Same for competing Male Seasonal in Main Tournament, which can't ready to compete against veterans (except for Rudeus in this year)
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by BT Salt » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:33 am

lol tanjiro and miku nakano, who had a decent performance in 2020, has already won winter 2021.
i guess the format's working as intended by the staff

Rudy, the only 2021 male debutante to qualify for 2021 regular season, is carried by mushoku tensei's popularity and not just recency bias. He even beat Okabe (who's in a slump) in topaz 1; who knows if the anime's second cour can make him last until the final group stage?
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Re: Rule Change Suggestions

Post by HasbeenaHibiki » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:34 am

Hitokiri Battōsai wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:41 am
The amount of old characters getting a spot in seasonal competitions is negating its purpose of finding the best new talent and destroying the seasonal's credibility. No character who has qualified for a main tournament before should be allowed to compete in a seasonal. No more Rams in seasonals!
I agree that's why I think old veterans should be in a Stella division period unless there's a character from the veteran's series who never appeared in Saimoe before then they are okay for Seasonal.
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