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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Fuijiwara » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:14 am

The reseed is here but I might have killed your chance eitherway

#1 Sakura Chiyo vs #8 Suou Amane
#2 Tedeza Rize vs #7 Kafuu Chino
#3 Onodera Kosaki vs #6 Himeki Chifuyu
#4 Latifa Fleuranza vs #5 Stephanie Dola
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Magnux7 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:18 am

Nooo ;-; Poor Amane..
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by hinakatbklyn » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:32 pm

It may not be Sakura Chiyo or Amane, but Rize does end up punished for her convincing win previous round (only because I still remember Chino with the convincing win over Rize in the seasonal tournament).

Only match that didn't change (reseed or no reseed) was Sakura Chiyo and Amane.

I think the only top challenger to technically benefit from the reseed is Latifah (Although Stephanie can still be a tough one to eliminate).
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by CureRainbow » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:50 pm

Chiyo vs. Amane and Latifah vs. Steph? Noooo ;____;
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Magnux7 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:28 pm

I hope people will support Amane .__. Chiyo already won exhibition tournament~
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Desufire » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:47 pm

How did you manage your reseeding, because Amane won against a higher seeded opponent by 4 votes and Steph won against a lower seeded opponent with 2 votes. Should this not make Steph a lower seed than Amane?

Explain Fuiji.

Edit: Oh you did it by vote count (which is dumb btw since some matches got more votes than others)

Here's I'll reseed the proper way, by % of votes

Steph 53.8%
Rize 68.2%
Chiyo 77.3%
Amane 60%
Chifuyu 63.6%
Latifah 58.3%
Chino 57.1%
Kosaki 51.9%

Reseeded properly:
#1 Chiyo vs. #8 Kosaki
#2 Rize vs. #7 Steph
#3 Chifuyu vs. #6 Chino
#4 Amane vs. #5 Latifah


Bam. Fair

Edit 2: Oh wait you didn't do it by vote count, Chino got 16 votes and is #7, I have no fucking clue how you reseeded this.
Edit 3: Oh randomization... Maybe I should have said I disliked this earlier on... (if only I knew)
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Magnux7 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:06 am

To be honest, I think Desufire's reseeding is more fair.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by RailWarrior » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:28 am

How so? This is a little on the extreme side, but take the following scenario:

A| 9
B| 3
A has 75% of the vote

C| 25
D| 15
C has 62.5% of the vote.

But obviously A is not more popular than C. Heck, D is probably more popular than A. Raw percent isn't fair. At all. Vote count says a lot more (though that, evidently, isn't what Fuiji is using either).
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Desufire » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:46 am

RailWarrior wrote:How so? This is a little on the extreme side, but take the following scenario:

A| 9
B| 3
A has 75% of the vote

C| 25
D| 15
C has 62.5% of the vote.

But obviously A is not more popular than C. Heck, D is probably more popular than A. Raw percent isn't fair. At all. Vote count says a lot more (though that, evidently, isn't what Fuiji is using either).
Yeah but vote count is usually pretty consistent in this forum and lesser vote count USUALLY means that some people weren't available to vote or missed voting rather than not actually wanting to.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Magnux7 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:00 am

I get what you say Railwarrior, but vote count is still even less fair than vote percentage.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Grish » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:45 am

Would simply adding the V% and the VF together be an effective compromise? If we apply this to RailWarrior's scenario, this gives competitor A a combined value of 84, and competitor C a value of 87.5. Rankings for the current tournament would be as follows:

1. Chiyo 94.3 (77.3 +17)
2. Rize 83.2 (68.2+15)
3. Chifuyu 77.6 (63.6+14)
4. Chino 73.1 (57.1+16)
5. Latifa 72.3 (58.3+14)
6. Amane 72 (60+12)
7. Steph 67.8 (53.8+14)
8. Kosaki 65.9 (51.9+14)

Therefore:
#1 Chiyo v.s #8 Kosaki
#2 Rize vs. #7 Steph
#3 Chifuyu vs. #6 Amane
#4 Chino vs. #5 Latifa
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Desufire » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:00 am

Grish wrote:Would simply adding the V% and the VF together be an effective compromise? If we apply this to RailWarrior's scenario, this gives competitor A a combined value of 84, and competitor C a value of 87.5. Rankings for the current tournament would be as follows:

1. Chiyo 94.3 (77.3 +17)
2. Rize 83.2 (68.2+15)
3. Chifuyu 77.6 (63.6+14)
4. Chino 73.1 (57.1+16)
5. Latifa 72.3 (58.3+14)
6. Amane 72 (60+12)
7. Steph 67.8 (53.8+14)
8. Kosaki 65.9 (51.9+14)

Therefore:
#1 Chiyo v.s #8 Kosaki
#2 Rize vs. #7 Steph
#3 Chifuyu vs. #6 Amane
#4 Chino vs. #5 Latifa
I'd be cool with that.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Fuijiwara » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:55 am

You know, the seedings are final either way so you can't change it. Besides, Amane and Chino were the lower half seeds so we can't give them too big of a jump
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Eibbor82 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:49 am

This is a mess.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by kanohistorm » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:03 am

remember, seeds are based on weight.
this is a full out bracket draw.

both have their pros and cons- the mistake really comes from assigning them "seeds"
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Fuijiwara » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:52 am

Seeds are for much fairer matches. Whether you like it or not, or would you have Onodera vs Sakura 3rd Round.
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Desufire » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:24 am

Fuijiwara wrote:Seeds are for much fairer matches. Whether you like it or not, or would you have Onodera vs Sakura 3rd Round.
It's not really seeding if you use a randomizer to decide the seeds
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by BugH » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:37 am

Fuijiwara wrote:Seeds are for much fairer matches. Whether you like it or not, or would you have Onodera vs Sakura 3rd Round.
So, from beginning, all of these already set to be unfair matches ?
And there, what's wrong if Onodera meets Sakura at third round ?
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Fuijiwara » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:54 am

I'm not using a randomizer. I'm using another thing altogether
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Re: ISML Seasonal Exhbition- ISML Edition

Post by Magnux7 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:28 pm

Apparently, Onodera and Chiyo aren't allowed to meet at third round for some reason..
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