Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

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Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by matchbaby » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:06 am

(I don't know where I should put this thread in, but ToC is postseason match, so I put it here)
As the topic.

Here does exist evidences that the TOC affected the tiara battle. (by comparing maps and total vote counts of tiara battle with ToC semi-final we can see)
Here is my suggestion:
(control: Keep banning the tiaras for 8 years, as same as this year.)

1. Seeding tiaras AFTER we have our tiara this year [but the schedule will be longer, I don't know whether staffs can handle it or not].
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2. Cancel TOC directly, or move it to the support match of nomination phase next year (calm voters down to let the new tiara have more chance to win against Kanade-Mikoto-Kuroneko).
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3. Treat PS1 winners also as "champion" (champion of nova/stella), and then choose the top 5-6 tiaras from EM8 result (see if there exist double winner of tiara+circlet) from 8 previous years for a 8-characters single elimination. [but the schedule will be longer]

Explanation:
All of the suggestions keeps the uncertainty of the TOC matchup AFTER we have our tiara for the year, or else, the TOC WILL affect the tiara battle seriously, I don't think this is what we want...
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Just » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:50 am

Among the suggestions, I like moving it to nomination phase next year most 0 0
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by avery-kun » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:15 pm

Option 2. Then the winner can appear as the "Officiator" of the League that year and have her avatar with that title posted on the main page or next to the Seitokai (honorary member of the Seitokai for the entire year???).

The only issue is I wonder if this would over shadow or taint the Nomination results.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Toady » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:29 pm

avery-kun wrote:The only issue is I wonder if this would over shadow or taint the Nomination results.
I can already hear people complain that there are too many Charlotte characters in Prelims because of Kanade fans ^^;

But the effect would mostly disappear for the Prelims, so I assume it's still a fair choice.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by avery-kun » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:07 pm

Toady wrote:
avery-kun wrote:The only issue is I wonder if this would over shadow or taint the Nomination results.
I can already hear people complain that there are too many Charlotte characters in Prelims because of Kanade fans ^^;

But the effect would mostly disappear for the Prelims, so I assume it's still a fair choice.
True. Prelims should correct any taint from nominations.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Chocola » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:38 pm

I don't understand the argument where, if something indirectly affects another, it should be "canceled" or "changed". This is a part of every day life. Actions you do will influence people you never even meet.

I could very well say that the ToC match SHOULD influence the tiara match because it brings in more voters for ISML, which is a good thing.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by matchbaby » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:45 am

Tsumikitty wrote:I don't understand the argument where, if something indirectly affects another, it should be "canceled" or "changed". This is a part of every day life. Actions you do will influence people you never even meet.

I could very well say that the ToC match SHOULD influence the tiara match because it brings in more voters for ISML, which is a good thing.
The problem is, tiara of this year represent ISML, if the ToC has impact on the tiara battle, the result come up will be in favor of those "tiaras" and this will hence induce more problems, for example, the tiara can't win against those "tiaras" because she is a sniper (Therefore illusion of tiara because weaker and weaker occur).

Also, is it a good thing that it brings in more voters for ISML? Strategic vote? Multi vote? From what we can see, ToC has MORE vote count then the tiara battle actually...
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Just » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:03 am

Another bad thing about the ToC being so close to the Tiara is how it totally takes away the spotlight...
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Kiwigiwi » Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:15 am

Just wrote:Another bad thing about the ToC being so close to the Tiara is how it totally takes away the spotlight...
Ditto. If more voters come in that care more about ToC than the tiara finals, we're gonna have a higher likelihood of people voting strategically, rather than voting for the character they like more. Not saying this is the case for Chitanda, since her hidden strength was proven with how she defeated Mashiro. But she may very well have won over Yukinoshita because fans of the tiara champions don't want any threats to Kanade's throne.

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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by matchbaby » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:50 pm

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Just wrote:Another bad thing about the ToC being so close to the Tiara is how it totally takes away the spotlight...
Ditto. If more voters come in that care more about ToC than the tiara finals, we're gonna have a higher likelihood of people voting strategically, rather than voting for the character they like more. Not saying this is the case for Chitanda, since her hidden strength was proven with how she defeated Mashiro. But she may very well have won over Yukinoshita because fans of the tiara champions don't want any threats to Kanade's throne.
=_= don't specify to certain characters
This thread aims at discussing the change of ToC rationally :P
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Kiwigiwi » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:00 pm

matchbaby wrote: =_= don't specify to certain characters
This thread aims at discussing the change of ToC rationally :P
?????? I don't see how using Chitanda as an example is harming the discussion or being "irrational". Seeing as Chitanda is the very first tiara winner of the year that introduces ToC, making speculations as to how ToC may or may not have affected the results of the tiara match is far from irrational. It's called looking at different perspective of a problem. I don't know if you've ever heard of that.

If you want a solution, look at the problem first. I don't see the issue with viewing the obstacles that may arise with each solution by providing scenarios that may occur.
Not sure if by your snarky remark you think I made that post about Chitanda out of spite for her winning or something; but I'm not. Like I said, I may be wrong. But ISML voters have a tendency to go for strategic votes; and I'm pretty sure that's something Kholdy has said we want to avoid.

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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Momo » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:10 pm

I'm going to cut this off before it gets any more caustic.

Gara raised the possibility that having the TOC then may promote strategic voting and subsequently decrease the value of the Tiara. Just leave it at that and address that alone.

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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Toady » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:42 pm

matchbaby wrote: Also, is it a good thing that it brings in more voters for ISML? Strategic vote? Multi vote? From what we can see, ToC has MORE vote count then the tiara battle actually...
Actually, if you have more voters, it should be easier to detect the multivotes. About strategic voting, I understand it can be annoying; but it is part of the game, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing.

I think the ToC is cool as it is now.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by 10ZHAbin » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:23 am

I prefer either no ban or complete ban on the champions, no compromises like ToC or 8-years break time.
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Desufire » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:14 am

I think waiting until year end for ToC is better, have it like just before New Year or maybe a week beforehand
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by minhtam1638 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:33 am

Tsumikitty wrote:I don't understand the argument where, if something indirectly affects another, it should be "canceled" or "changed". This is a part of every day life. Actions you do will influence people you never even meet.

I could very well say that the ToC match SHOULD influence the tiara match because it brings in more voters for ISML, which is a good thing.
I somewhat disagree with the second sentiment, but it's still no reason to "cancel" or "change" the ToC. If anything, just move the ToC to in-between the nominations and the preliminaries. Make it the opening ceremony of each ISML year.

Actually, just typing that up made me realize how good of an idea that is. Mikoto vs. Kanade to start things off = "Let the Games Begin"
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Re: Should the ToC be cancelled, or be changed?

Post by Bastion » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:20 pm

minhtam1638 wrote: I somewhat disagree with the second sentiment, but it's still no reason to "cancel" or "change" the ToC. If anything, just move the ToC to in-between the nominations and the preliminaries. Make it the opening ceremony of each ISML year.

Actually, just typing that up made me realize how good of an idea that is. Mikoto vs. Kanade to start things off = "Let the Games Begin"
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